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10 years ago

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steveishere
10 years ago
Not sure how trading Casey Hayward for a 2nd round pick makes this team better. That was a terrible article.
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10 years ago

Not sure how trading Casey Hayward for a 2nd round pick makes this team better. That was a terrible article.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Before I even clicked on the link I knew it had to be a Bob McGinn article. He writes more stupid stuff than the next 5 journalists combined.

No Uncle Ted isn't going to trade a CB. Even if it means a #2 draft pick.

Mc Ginn rambles on in his article talking about how deep GB is at CB and then contradicts himself in the next paragraphs as he discusses each player. He then gets lost in a mindless babble about compensation picks for Jennings and EDS which have nothing to do with trading a CB from this team to some unknown team that is just waiting to dump their # 2 pick on the Packers for a player would will have to take more than a few weeks to learn THEIR defensive system

Here's how the Packers' extraordinary collection of cornerbacks stacks up after seven games.



extraordinary: going beyond what is usual, regular, or customary. I guess this means no other team in the NFL has comparable CBs on their roster.


Sam Shields hasn't played quite up to his standards, but he's not going anywhere. The Packers regard Shields, 26, as an ascending player. Trading his recent four-year contract that averages $9.75 million also would blast their salary cap.



First he calls Sam extraordinary then bashes him for not playing up to his standards and having a large contract. I guess Sam is more ordinary than McGinn says he is.

Tramon Williams might be 31 but remarkably hasn't lost any of his abundant speed, quickness or athleticism. On Thursday, position coach Joe Whitt said his performance level was equal to that of 2010, easily his greatest season.

Williams' contract, which averaged $8.25 million, expires in March. Barring injury, I would expect him to be re-signed for $4 million to $5 million per year. He is confident about being able to play four more good years.



First of all position coaches rarely criticize their players in the media. So whatever Whitt tells you Bob doesn't mean he really fells that way. I am not saying Williams isn't doing a fine job but you really need on outside observer's opinion to make it more creditable. Not that I disagree with the assessment simply that you need an impartial source to have any credibility to your point.

Did Williams or his agent tell you he will sign for half of what he is making now even though he playing at his best since 2010? Why would be do that? I am sure he thinks he is going to earn $8 or more. If so here is a real problem with your whole article about GB having so much talent. If the front office doesn't want to pay a 31 year old player that much money they will let him walk just like they did Jennings, Jones etal. Trading one of the younger players mid season now means the group of extraordinary CBs has lost a significant number and is no longer extraordinary and is actually critically short of players. Oops I guess you didn't see that coming.

House, 25, an often-injured tease for much of his first three seasons, is blossoming. His confidence, ability to play the ball and toughness has caught up to his ideal size and speed.

He's good enough to start, and most definitely wants to start. As it stands today, he'll depart in March as an unrestricted free agent with a contract averaging up to $6 million.



Is a person who is often injured extraordinary? Even the greatest players those who have the most potential only become great after they actually play the game and achieve what very few others are able to achieve. Potential does not make one extraordinary. Oh wait we have yet someone else who may not be on the team next year. So if they trade Hayward and don't sign Williams and House they are now down 3 of their primary players. Is that the gamble a good GM is going to make? Won't trading away one of their players take the team out of a strong leverage position and put them in a real bind? Doh I guess it never occurred to you did it?

Hayward, also 25, is the consummate nickel back that Whitt contends will be a starter outside at some point in his career. After losing last season and some of August with hamstring woes, his star has never burned brighter than after the pair of picture-perfect interceptions the past two Sundays. He would become unrestricted in March 2016.



The target of your trade simply because you can't find anyone else who GB can move. If you don't make an argument for Hayward the whole story falls apart doesn't it? If it hasn't already fallen apart. So you are saying at that player who might play outside but almost always plays the inside against slot receivers but has had a few injury issues in the past is worth a # 2 pick simply because he has 2 interceptions? Man I wish Uncle Ted could have you as an opposing GM. You would make Matt Millen look like a rocket scientist.

Hyde, only 23, has played 57% of the defensive snaps as both a safety and dime back. No matter if it's tackling, covering, blitzing or returning, he's resourceful and solid.



I took about 90 seconds and went to 4 different websites include the official Green Bay Packers website. I saw a rather strange and shocking thing. Hyde is actually listed as the starting FS. Doesn't that sort of preclude anyone from lumping him in with the CBs at this time? If Mike moves him from FS to one of the CB positions doesn't that weaken the team at FS? That's kind of weird. Best not mention that. It could jeopardize an otherwise riveting documentary in process. "These are not the droids you are looking for."

Rookie Demetri Goodson, 25, is the converted basketball player and sixth-round draft choice. He's extremely physical, athletic and fast enough. Until Goodson plays, however, the defensive staff won't know if he has overcome his tendency to reach and hold receivers.

Jarrett Bush, 30, remains the No. 1 special-teamer and No. 2 dime back. His contract is up in March as well.



If all else fails to persuade people use a converted basketball player who was almost cut in the preseason and a ST ace as the two players on the team that will make Hayward expendable. Ya got me here Bob. I am speechless and can't think of a single reason why the Packers should not trade Hayward for a # 2 pick. 😆 🙄

Getting the sports writer of the year award sounds a bit like Les Nessman winning the Buckeye Newshawk Award and the coveted Silver Sow Award.
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yooperfan
10 years ago
Very good and well reasoned WPR.
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10 years ago

Very good and well reasoned WPR.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



Yooper I wish we still owned the land outside Gulliver. I would try and track you down for dinner and Packer talk.
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10 years ago

Casey Hayward covering the slot:


77 snaps (32nd)
0.6 passer rating allowed (1st)
11 snaps per target (1st)
38.5 snaps per allowed catch (1st)
0.29 yards allowed per snap (1st)
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beast
10 years ago

Before I even clicked on the link I knew it had to be a Bob McGinn article. He writes more stupid stuff than the next 5 journalists combined.

No Uncle Ted isn't going to trade a CB. Even if it means a #2 draft pick.

Mc Ginn rambles on in his article talking about how deep GB is at CB and then contradicts himself in the next paragraphs as he discusses each player.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Very very good post [grin1]

McGinn seems to try say things to the extreme at times, making bold statements to get value of taking a hard stances and in a lot of ways reminds me of Skip Bayless... in that Bayless will try to say the most shock value thing he can, if he feels he can halfway support it with "facts" ... and the "facts" are fact they just might have nothing to do with proving him right.

But with Shields and Burnett injured right now... one more DB injury and Jarrett Bush is starting in nickel packages. For a 2nd round pick that could be the next Jordy Nelson or the next Brian Brohm or the next Patrick Lee... or the next Hayward or the next Worthy... seems a bit risky.

Also Williams and House are FAs after this season... might be an opening that needs to be filled and you can sure bet if 🇹🇹 did make this trade and lost Williams in FA, McGinn would be verbally smacking 🇹🇹 for the trade saying the guy might of been answer and instead of standing firm he took a shot in the dark.



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sschind
10 years ago

Very good and well reasoned WPR.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



Not to mention the WKRP references.

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10 years ago

Very very good post [grin1]

McGinn seems to try say things to the extreme at times, making bold statements to get value of taking a hard stances and in a lot of ways reminds me of Skip Bayless... in that Bayless will try to say the most shock value thing he can, if he feels he can halfway support it with "facts" ... and the "facts" are fact they just might have nothing to do with proving him right.

But with Shields and Burnett injured right now... one more DB injury and Jarrett Bush is starting in nickel packages. For a 2nd round pick that could be the next Jordy Nelson or the next Brian Brohm or the next Patrick Lee... or the next Hayward or the next Worthy... seems a bit risky.

Also Williams and House are FAs after this season... might be an opening that needs to be filled and you can sure bet if 🇹🇹 did make this trade and lost Williams in FA, McGinn would be verbally smacking 🇹🇹 for the trade saying the guy might of been answer and instead of standing firm he took a shot in the dark.


Originally Posted by: beast 



Yeah I was thinking of Skippy too. I gave Bob a pass because I already had enough. Glad someone else nailed him for that.
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