steveishere
10 years ago

When I talk about free agents, I'm generally talking about outside free agents. That is, players that didn't play for the Packers the past season. Resigning a teams own players generally keeps the core in tact, but signing outside free agents to fill in gaps (e.g. Pickett, Woodson, Peppers) can seriously address obvious weaknesses. Resigning a teams free agents isn't likely to address weaknesses from the previous season. Without substantial outside free agents, most the pressure is on the draft and/or UDFA. That makes it tough if one isn't drafting very well every season.

I have no interest in Ted signing players just to sign players or just to be active in free agency to say that he is. I want him to sign players that can help this team, and I think there are a few out there every couple of years.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



That makes no sense though. What was a weakness last year is irrelevant. What matters is what the team looks like in it's current form. When we signed Sam Shields as a FA we needed a starting CB. We could have let Shields go and sign Aqib Talib (for example) and you guys would get all excited but the end result is we signed a starting CB where one was needed regardless of what the players name is.
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10 years ago

That makes no sense though. What was a weakness last year is irrelevant. What matters is what the team looks like in it's current form. When we signed Sam Shields as a FA we needed a starting CB. We could have let Shields go and sign Aqib Talib (for example) and you guys would get all excited but the end result is we signed a starting CB where one was needed regardless of what the players name is.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



no what dodd says does makes sense. If GB has 3 quality WR and one of them becomes a FA and they resign him they still have 3 quality WRs. If they entered the offseason with a problem at TE and they sign their WR then they still have a problem at TE.

One can also ask why did their player end up as a FA in the first place? If they sign their former player then obviously the player didn't have an issue with staying with the Packers. They could have signed the guy the year before he became a FA. So does it really count when they sign a player they could have signed a long time ago? To some degree but not so much.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

That makes no sense though. What was a weakness last year is irrelevant. What matters is what the team looks like in it's current form. When we signed Sam Shields as a FA we needed a starting CB. We could have let Shields go and sign Aqib Talib (for example) and you guys would get all excited but the end result is we signed a starting CB where one was needed regardless of what the players name is.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Not only that, but Ted is arguably best in the league at finding these "gem" style players. So much so that it creates a feedback loop, where players know they have a chance if they come here, so they're more interested in doing so.
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hardrocker950
10 years ago

no what dodd says does makes sense. If GB has 3 quality WR and one of them becomes a FA and they resign him they still have 3 quality WRs. If they entered the offseason with a problem at TE and they sign their WR then they still have a problem at TE.

One can also ask why did their player end up as a FA in the first place? If they sign their former player then obviously the player didn't have an issue with staying with the Packers. They could have signed the guy the year before he became a FA. So does it really count when they sign a player they could have signed a long time ago? To some degree but not so much.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I agree. For an example - Ted passed on all the safeties in FA and drafted Haha. While Haha has been pretty good - if he had turned out to be a bum, everyone would be screaming for Ted's head on a platter for not picking up a FA[palm]
DoddPower
10 years ago

That makes no sense though. What was a weakness last year is irrelevant. What matters is what the team looks like in it's current form. When we signed Sam Shields as a FA we needed a starting CB. We could have let Shields go and sign Aqib Talib (for example) and you guys would get all excited but the end result is we signed a starting CB where one was needed regardless of what the players name is.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I don't know. The Packers weaknesses have been consistent over the past several years in my opinion. Safety, offensive line, line backer, and the next tier of defensive line, etc. I think the previous seasons made that very obvious. Most of those weak areas were weak the previous season and have remained that way through the past few seasons and to some extent, into this season. I don't think last years weaknesses are irrelevant at all unless they were actually seriously addressed. And by seriously addressed, I don't mean a few more MD Jennings, Carl Bradfords, Thorton, Banjo, etc. I'm talking more about a Julius Peppers or at least a draft pick that shows some significant progress and ability. That hasn't happened enough to these positions. How long has the Packers offensive line, safety, and linebacker been a weakness for the Packers now? Those still aren't positions of strength. Far from it. Ted found a starting left tackle in Bacteria. That's great, but he's still not good enough, from my perspective. He might be able to get there, but he's just average at this point.
QCHuskerFan
10 years ago

When I talk about free agents, I'm generally talking about outside free agents. That is, players that didn't play for the Packers the past season. Resigning a teams own players generally keeps the core in tact, but signing outside free agents to fill in gaps (e.g. Pickett, Woodson, Peppers) can seriously address obvious weaknesses. Resigning a teams free agents isn't likely to address weaknesses from the previous season. Without substantial outside free agents, most the pressure is on the draft and/or UDFA. That makes it tough if one isn't drafting very well every season.

I have no interest in Ted signing players just to sign players or just to be active in free agency to say that he is. I want him to sign players that can help this team, and I think there are a few out there every couple of years.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



So signing outside players to fill gaps is good, but resigning current players to avoid weaknesses developing is not?

If Packers had signed Byrd to address safety, but allowed Shields to walk... That would have been good Free Agent work on Ted's behalf? Our team would have been better?

Not sure I agree.
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DakotaT
10 years ago
Maybe what pisses off the pro-Free Agent boys is that the first week of free agency is when Ted decides to take his vacation. That speaks volumes as to what our top personnel guy thinks about free agency. I'm pretty fiscally conservative myself, but sometimes you have to overpay to bring in the talent that puts you over the top. I would sure rather do that than overpay for mediocre players like Brad Jones and Burnett. Just because their salaries match what the rest of the league is paying doesn't justify the money paid to the pedestrian player.
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QCHuskerFan
10 years ago
WHile thoroughly highjacking this thread to FA discussion, it is important to me to remember that activity is not progress. Signing FA does not mean improvement.

A good friend of mine is a Bears fan. Sad, but true. He was excited last winter when the Bears signed a FA safety. Bear's safeties were arguably worse than the Packers last year. So he saw activity and was excited. The FA they signed? MD Jennings. Activity? Yes. Progress? No. He was cut in camp. The signing appeased the fan base, but it had no impact on winning ballgames.

I would prefer Ted Thompson spend his time on winning ballgames and not on making the fan base happy. If we win ballgames, most of us are happy anyway.
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago
In my opinion signing your own FAs is required to maintain the Status Quo. Should we have needs beyond our current Status Quo this is when we need to either draft or sign FAs from other teams.

I commend Ted Thompson for his work at trying to keep the core together and sign some of the key guys, but has that actually improved the team or just prevented it from getting worse?
steveishere
10 years ago

In my opinion signing your own FAs is required to maintain the Status Quo. Should we have needs beyond our current Status Quo this is when we need to either draft or sign FAs from other teams.

I commend Ted Thompson for his work at trying to keep the core together and sign some of the key guys, but has that actually improved the team or just prevented it from getting worse?

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



If they are FA then the team is already worse. When this coming FA happens and the only RT on our roster is Don Barclay it would make the team better if we signed Bulaga. It's the nature of the league that there is no such thing as status quo. You'll never have the same team twice, some guys walk and some you have to bring back but bringing a player back is not the equivalent of doing nothing. We could have let Sam Shields leave in FA and signed a S but then our starting CBs would have been Tramon and House. I'm not sure that's a whole lot better than Tramon/Shields to go with our drafted S.
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