Formo
16 years ago
Yeah. It sucked.

But I will say this, and as soon as my damned video uploads I'll SHOW you, but the 'Dome was more than packed out with purple. Unlike what a few of you and other national football fans were saying. lol

I didn't pin this loss on T-Jack. At all. Against THAT defense? Are you kiddin' me? No, the loss goes to Chilly/Bevell. Bevell for calling a LESS than inspiring offense, and Chilly for keeping Bevell.

With that offense, the Vikings STILL were in the game... I'm impressed.

Sorry that they couldn't represent the NFC North better. Would've been GREAT to shut the crap out of those Iggles and show the national media how retarded they were for picking the Eagles to win.
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bigfog
16 years ago

But why LA? And would they still be in our division?

Why do they NEED a new stadium?

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Seems like the NFL has been trying to fill the LA vacancy for a long time. Why? No idea.

As far as why the Vikings need a new stadium, your guess is as good as mine. It is dated and if the Vikes had a more modern stadium with those oh so popular luxury seats, Ziggy could pull in some more cash.

Here's an article that was posted on PFT this weekend:


As the Vikings deal with a stadium that theyre struggling to sell out for Sundays playoff game, the first to be hosted at the Metrodome in eight years, ownership of the team faces an increasingly uphill climb in the quest to build a new stadium, for which the locals might or might not buy tickets to games.

Despite repeated assurances over the three years since Zygi Wilf bought the franchise from Red McCombs that Wilf wont move the team, signs have emerged for the first time that the Vikings might go the way of the Lakers.

Per the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Vikings vice president in charge of stadium development Lester Bagley says that the Wilfs are getting frustrated by the lack of progress toward the construction of a new stadium.

Its reality check time, Bagley said. If we want an NFL franchise in this state, we have to resolve the stadium issue. Time is running out. If nothing gets done, then maybe the Wilfs throw in the towel.

Uh. Oh.

Folks in Minnesota dont seem to respond well to pressure or ultimatums, even when being begged by Jared Allen.

When the I-35 bridge collapsed in August 2007, we suspected at that moment that, if the Vikings were to land a new stadium, they would have to do it without public funds. And that the Vikings would instead move to L.A. before building a stadium without free taxpayer money.

Since then, the economy has deteriorated, making public funding far less likely. Especially in the upcoming legislative session.

It certainly will not be a high priority, Senate Majority Leader Larry Pogemiller told the Star Tribune. We have a fiscal and job crisis in Minnesota.

House Speaker Margaret Anderson Kelliher was more blunt. There is no chance, she said. Its a great idea if they would pay for it themselves. But we are in uncharted economic waters. We are in a crisis situation, and we have to focus on the financial and economic health of the state.

To illustrate their point, Pogemiller and Kelliher laughed out loud regarding the prospect of public stadium financing in the current climate.

Wilf wants a $954 million stadium to be built in downtown Minneapolis, and he wants more than $635 million in public funding.

Why not? Bagley said. The Vikings are a public asset. This is going to create an economic boost.

The Vikings have tried to characterize the effort as a massive public works project, which will create 5,500 jobs and provide $500 million to local contractors.

But its not working. And with the Vikings lease at the Metrodome in place for only three more seasons, 2012 could be year one of the Los Angeles Vikings.



Here's an article that was published in the LA Times last year about building a new stadium in LA


Will L.A. wake up to Roskis NFL dream?

April 17, 2008

Ed Roski has been to the bottom of the Atlantic in a Russian submarine to view the wreckage of the Titanic. Hes ridden his mountain bike the entire length of the Burma Road. Hes climbed to base camp at Mt. Everest and has paid his deposit to travel commercially into space.

But his latest undertaking is his wildest, most improbable yet.

He wants to bring the NFL back to Los Angeles.

At a news conference Thursday, Roski will unveil the latest concept for an L.A. stadium. Its a dazzling, asymmetrical venue built into a hillside in the City of Industry, near the southern intersection of the 57 and 60 freeways. His stadium would be surrounded by a high-end shopping mall, already in the works.

Good luck, Ed, because the L.A. wreckage puts that Titanic mess to shame.

From Irwindale to Irvine, the Cornfield to Carson, Dodger Stadium to Hollywood Park, the Rose Bowl to the Coliseum, proposals ranging from ingenious to outlandish have fallen by the wayside.

Moving back to L.A. isnt among the NFLs top three priorities, and Id be surprised if it were in the top five. Team owners dont want Commissioner Roger Goodell spending his time working on that conundrum when theyre readying for a pitched battle with the players union, cant figure out how best to share their billions in revenue, and have most of America channel surfing in vain for the NFL Network.

L.A. wont reappear on the NFLs radar screen until an owner stands up and says he can no longer get it done in his current city, and the prospects of staying are so bleak that his team can be more successful in Southern California even when saddled with the cost of a new stadium, an astronomical relocation fee, and heaven knows what else.

Yes, there are teams that are unhappy in their current situations, teams with less-favorable stadium deals than others, or whose hometown relationships have worn thin. Jacksonville, New Orleans, Minnesota and Oakland come to mind. Then, theres San Diego, where the Chargers are free to leave any time after this season without the threat of a lawsuit as long as they pay their $56-million tab for city bonds. That number drops into the $20-million range after two years.

The Chargers say theyre focused on two stadium possibilities in Chula Vista, and it remains to be seen if either of those will pan out. Is it likely they will take a hard look at Roskis proposal? Yes.

But theres a big difference in taking a hard look and actually making a commitment to move. This process has had so many fits and starts, so many set-ups and letdowns, every new proposal starts sounding like a punch line.

Roski calls it deal fatigue, and he concedes theres a lot of it among the NFL owners, executives, media and fans. Not another NFL proposal.

And remember, this is a terrible time to finance this type of deal. Two years ago, the league thought an L.A. stadium would be too expensive, and that was when the interest rates and banking relationships were far more favorable.

Now, the New York Giants and Jets, and Dallas Cowboys have to shell out substantially more money than they planned for their new stadiums, in part because of the implosion of the short-term debt market. Even the New England Patriots, one of the richest franchises in sports, have run into problems on the financial aspects of their stadium debt.

Thats not to question Roskis platinum can-do credentials. He inherited a fortune in real estate and continued to build on it, now ranking 195th on Forbes magazines list of 400 richest Americans, with an estimated worth of $2.3 billion. Without Roski and Philip Anschutz, there would be no Staples Center.

Roski says he can get started almost immediately on his NFL stadium, something that separates his concept from the dozens of failed ones that came before it. His environmental impact report is done. He doesnt have to worry about battling historic preservationists; hes dealing with a mound of dirt. He doesnt need the blessing of Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa or to lobby members of the City Council. (He did encounter some political turbulence today when state lawmakers blocked an effort by Industry to grab millions of dollars in tax subsidies that could help lure an NFL team back to the area.)

The way Roski sees it, he could have shovels in the ground this fall and have a stadium ready to go for the 2011 season. By his thinking, a team could be in L.A. by the 2009 season and could play for two years in the Rose Bowl or Coliseum until its new digs are ready. He would want to own at least part of the team, but says he would be comfortable being a behind-the-scenes shareholder as he is with the Lakers and L.A. Kings.

Roski says he can build a football version of Staples Center for about $800 million, roughly half the price of the one being constructed for the Giants and Jets. He says hell save a huge amount on steel, because half of his stadium rests on a hillside.

But its not as if hes going to dip into his personal fortune to pay for this whole project. He wants help from the NFL in the form of a $150-million loan and the promise of at least one Super Bowl. The league has doled out that money for other stadiums, although it no longer has a G-3 loan program and would have to create a new one for L.A.

The NFL isnt in the business of giving without taking. Never has been. So whats unknown is what the other owners would want in exchange for that huge loan, the promise of one or more Super Bowls, and the rights to the nations No. 2 market. This deal would come with ultra-strong cables not just strings attached.

In recent years, the NFL seems to have lost interest in coming back. Likewise, theres little groundswell from untold millions of football fans in Southern California, the ones who appreciate less traffic on Sundays and more NFL choices on TV.

If you build it, Ed, they will come.

But if you dont build it, will they care?


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longtimefan
16 years ago
why is it NOT okay to boo?

I would think that if I paid any amount of money I would want the best that I can get..

Since they clearly did not bring their best dont I have the right to boo?
Formo
16 years ago

why is it NOT okay to boo?

I would think that if I paid any amount of money I would want the best that I can get..

Since they clearly did not bring their best dont I have the right to boo?

"longtimefan" wrote:



Boo all you want.

But my point is it's not gonna help. Since it won't help, and if one REALLY wants their team to win, I'd think common sense would say, "Hey, uh, it would probably help my already confidence-shaken QB if I DIDN'T boo."

But, hell. This is Minnesota. Home of the fair weather 'fans'. Never stop complainin'.
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nathaniel
16 years ago

Are they really moving to LA in 2012?

"bigfog" wrote:



Meh, it's just me spit balling into the wind. The Metrodump lease is up in 2012, Ziggy's been crying for public funding for a new downtown stadium in Minny, and with the economy being crap (state services currently in hiring freeze, major budget concerns for the state) I don't see a new stadium being built.

Would it surprise me to see them move? Absolutely not.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Maybe the Gophers will let the Vikes use their new stadium, since they have been using the Metrodome. Wish the Gophers would stay in the dome. Down here we call it Kinnick North! Haha!
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ILikeThePackers39
16 years ago
I'm engaged to a Vikings fan, so that was a little sad.

Sadder still, as I listen to KFAN today I'm hearing Vikings fans say everything from T. Jackson will "never be anything" to some guy just now who seriously suggested that they trade Adrian Peterson - no shit, the guy just said it. And now some guy's all "suspicious" that AD isn't that good, because "how come he gets a long run every once in a while but other times he's stopped in a couple yards?"

And their team made the playoffs.

For the record, I think they'd be idiots to give up on Jackson - give the kid some time, fer criminy's sake. Booty sure as hell isn't the answer.
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4PackGirl
16 years ago

I'm engaged to a Vikings fan, so that was a little sad.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



holy crap - me too!! LOL.

it was a good game on both sides - wish the vikings coulda represented our conference a bit further into the playoffs but congrats to them for winning the division.
ILikeThePackers39
16 years ago

I'm engaged to a Vikings fan, so that was a little sad.

"4PackGirl" wrote:



holy crap - me too!! LOL.

it was a good game on both sides - wish the vikings coulda represented our conference a bit further into the playoffs but congrats to them for winning the division.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



I thought they played really well, absent the two big plays (Samuels' pick-six and Westbrook's TD).
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16 years ago

I'm engaged to a Vikings fan, so that was a little sad.

Sadder still, as I listen to KFAN today I'm hearing Vikings fans say everything from T. Jackson will "never be anything" to some guy just now who seriously suggested that they trade Adrian Peterson - no shit, the guy just said it. And now some guy's all "suspicious" that AD isn't that good, because "how come he gets a long run every once in a while but other times he's stopped in a couple yards?"

And their team made the playoffs.

For the record, I think they'd be idiots to give up on Jackson - give the kid some time, fer criminy's sake. Booty sure as hell isn't the answer.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:


TRADE Peterson???
(If it was to the PACKERS, i'd be all for it!!!)
Jeez.......he's most of their offense. Of course THAT is why teams game plan to stop him. Now......if the Vikings had anything else offensively, they would be unstoppable.
Thank god they don't!!!! :thumbleft:
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gbpfan
16 years ago
I do not like the vikes,except for some players I think Tjack did fairly well yesterday,now the d-line wow felt they kept the game close so congrats :thumbright:
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