Zero2Cool
10 years ago
I've been on Matt Flynn's bandwagon for quite some time and been adamantly against Scott Tozien after watching him look like a deer caught in headlights. Both Flynn and Tolzien have shown something. Flynn has shown a little more zip, but poor decision making. Tolzien has always had some zip and has shown better decision making and better accuracy. One thing I like about Tolzien is I don't see the happy feet in the pocket nearly as much and he looks a heckuva lot more confident back there.

Tolzien
Att - 38
Comp - 26
Yds - 338
Comp% - 68.4
Yds/Att - 8.9
TD - 1
INT - 0
Rating - 104.9

Flynn
Att - 23
Comp - 11
Yds - 130
Comp% - 47.8
Yds/Att - 5.7
TD - 1
INT - 1
Rating - 61.9



If the Packers keep three QB's, then they hurt their depth else where. Keeping three QB's simply does not make sense. Packers cut Tolzien, someone will surely grab him whereas if Flynn is cut, there is a good chance if both Aaron Rodgers and Tolzien are hurt, Flynn will be available.
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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

I have been impressed with Tolzien this pre-season, looks like he has made a huge step foward, but still think The Packers are better off starting the season with 3 qb's.

I haven't heard where another team is in dire need of a qb, but if they let Flynn go and somebody loses their qb, he would be at the top of the list to sign.

Too risky this time of the year, depending on what happens, I could see The Packers letting Flynn go later if the need arises at another position.

For now I am in favor of keeping all 3.
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steveishere
10 years ago
Yep, I was all for Flynn and wanted Tolzien to convince me and so far he has. I still don't know how he would do having to lead the team in an actual game but so far he's looked decisive and accurate. I don't really see any reason to keep both players, if the team trusts Tolzien or Flynn as a back up leave it at that. Neither are so great that losing one or the other for the long term should be devastating.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

Yep, I was all for Flynn and wanted Tolzien to convince me and so far he has. I still don't know how he would do having to lead the team in an actual game but so far he's looked decisive and accurate. I don't really see any reason to keep both players, if the team trusts Tolzien or Flynn as a back up leave it at that. Neither are so great that losing one or the other for the long term should be devastating.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Choose one... don't wuss out and waste a roster spot because you can't.

I'm going with the upside on this one. Tolzien, in time, should be the much better QB. I'm not totally certain he isn't right now. Flynn's calling card is the reliability he's shown here. He's okay.

I still think they'll choose Flynn because of the fear factor. Too much unknown with Tolzien in real game situations.

If they keep both I will be terribly disappointed.
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
I just don't think this is the year to use an additional spot for a QB. I know Mike wants to, but there are some guys elsewhere that could really make an impact this year that we'd be letting go.

Each year tells a pretty unique story. Last year we had a backup OLB and QB problem for example and this year looks like those positions are well stocked while other positions look to be taking a hit like DT. Raji's injury makes this even more interesting.
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earthquake
10 years ago
At the start of the season I was leaning towards Flynn, because he has shown the ability to win a few games. However the more I see Tolzien play, the better he looks.

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to keep 3 QBs, I think thats being overly reactionary. How often does the #3 QB get significant playing time for any team with a legit franchise QB? Still, it won't really surprise me if they do.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago
I've been for Tolzien all along - his only problem last season was inadequate preparation before getting thrown in.

The only question was and is, keep all three, or save a roster spot by getting rid of Flynn. Flynn looked good enough against the Rams that I was starting to favor the 3 QB route, and very likely that's still what the Packers will do, but I'm glad - and not surprised - to see Tolzien outplay Flynn.
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macbob
10 years ago
I'd go with Tolzien, and only keep two.

Looking at the roster projections showing us with 8 OL is making me feel like Princess Leia on the asteroid--I have a bad feeling about this...

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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
If we have to go with 2, drop Flynn. Should the #2 have to play, the run game, bubble screens and check down passes to backs is going to make the offense much less demanding on the backup QB play. Defenses would be much closer to the LOS to challenge the short game and Tolzien's stronger arm should be effective against a less congested secondary.
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musccy
10 years ago

I just don't think this is the year to use an additional spot for a QB. I know Mike wants to, but there are some guys elsewhere that could really make an impact this year that we'd be letting go.

Each year tells a pretty unique story. Last year we had a backup OLB and QB problem for example and this year looks like those positions are well stocked while other positions look to be taking a hit like DT. Raji's injury makes this even more interesting.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



If it comes to the last roster spot, you're likely talking about a guy that's not making the active roster anyway. We saw last year how critical competency is at the QB position. St. Louis and Cleveland are two teams that come to mind that I would imagine wouldn't think long before picking up either Packer qb.

The only reason I see to not retain Flynn or Tolzien would be if they could be used as trade bait for a DL or C, but that doesn't really seem like a Ted-like move.




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