DarkaneRules
10 years ago

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- After three days of training camp practices, the Green Bay Packers are taking Tuesday off.

It's a small sample size, but before they get back on the field Wednesday morning, here's a look at what we've learned about them so far.

After looking at the offensive side of the ball, it's time to examine the defense:

Youth movement: It's clear the Packers have moved on from the days of having three, 330-plus pound defensive linemen up front.

Rob Demovsky  wrote:



Everything they said would happen is happening. The fans called the Hyde move early. That move has paid off. This kid is the real deal. His speed is what separates him from the other free safety candidates. He is a rangey guy as they would say.

Elsewhere, we also knew the line would get lighter but also attack more. The key for them is to "get off their damn blocks" which became such an issue as last season wore on. We are all expecting more from this group.

Question for you guys. Do you like us getting lighter on the line and getting away from the base 3-4 on first down routine?
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
nerdmann
10 years ago

Everything they said would happen is happening. The fans called the Hyde move early. That move has paid off. This kid is the real deal. His speed is what separates him from the other free safety candidates. He is a rangey guy as they would say.

Elsewhere, we also knew the line would get lighter but also attack more. The key for them is to "get off their damn blocks" which became such an issue as last season wore on. We are all expecting more from this group.

Question for you guys. Do you like us getting lighter on the line and getting away from the base 3-4 on first down routine?

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



No. We're going to get blown off the LoS in short yardage.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DakotaT
10 years ago

Everything they said would happen is happening. The fans called the Hyde move early.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



Hey, it isn't just pretty faces and swinging dicks in here, there's some intelligence too!!!!!


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dfosterf
10 years ago

Everything they said would happen is happening. The fans called the Hyde move early. That move has paid off. This kid is the real deal. His speed is what separates him from the other free safety candidates. He is a rangey guy as they would say.

Elsewhere, we also knew the line would get lighter but also attack more. The key for them is to "get off their damn blocks" which became such an issue as last season wore on. We are all expecting more from this group.

Question for you guys. Do you like us getting lighter on the line and getting away from the base 3-4 on first down routine?

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 




I want heat on the QB. What pisses me off is Dom Capers 3 man rush in critical situations, repeatedly. The man does not seem to learn it was not working. You can put 3 Gods on that d-line, and if Dom keeps doing that crap, we are going to get repeatedly toasted. It don't even seem that hard to figure out, but ESPN and NFL.com don't have those stats, so I guess it isn't happening.



steveishere
10 years ago

No. We're going to get blown off the LoS in short yardage.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



because having 330lb tubbos out there prevented that from happening right?
DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Jolly was really something for first quarter and a half before he started breaking down. It was great to see. Someone else is going to have to make those plays this year.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
nerdmann
10 years ago

because having 330lb tubbos out there prevented that from happening right?

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Remember the Mike Sherman years, before Grady Jackson fell out of the sky?
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
warhawk
10 years ago

I want heat on the QB. What pisses me off is Dom Capers 3 man rush in critical situations, repeatedly. The man does not seem to learn it was not working. You can put 3 Gods on that d-line, and if Dom keeps doing that crap, we are going to get repeatedly toasted. It don't even seem that hard to figure out, but ESPN and NFL.com don't have those stats, so I guess it isn't happening.



Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



Everything I see this is not how the Packers are going to do business this year. I hear "aggressive", I see Peppers and Mathews, I see PRESSURE. With Mathews, Peppers, Daniels, and, Jones on the field I see QB's looking for some dirt to go down on vs. sitting back there picking us apart. I will say if Capers does go that direction at times with Hyde and Hayward on the field I expect it might just work now. Not a big fan of the 3 man rush but if you have players back there with a clue it would help.

What I see now is the personnel to go either way because you can't do the same thing every time or teams will figure it out much easier than if the defense has the players to go a couple different ways.

Depends on who your playing against too. Cutler? Go after him 99% of the time vs going 3 man rush. Some other less experienced QB without the strong arm? Like I say in that case if we have Hayward, Hyde, Shields, Williams, Burnett back there I can see making the call. I actually think it might just work. I know, however, based on history it is a stretch.

What I'm fired up about is I see what Capers has wanted to do in the past but now I see some players that he has who could actually pull it off. No matter what the scheme is you have to have guys that can "get there" whether it's going after the QB or loading the backend. I see it getting closer to what he needs to make it happen either way.


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hardrocker950
10 years ago

I want heat on the QB. What pisses me off is Dom Capers 3 man rush in critical situations, repeatedly. The man does not seem to learn it was not working. You can put 3 Gods on that d-line, and if Dom keeps doing that crap, we are going to get repeatedly toasted. It don't even seem that hard to figure out, but ESPN and NFL.com don't have those stats, so I guess it isn't happening.



Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



Agree with you - 3 man just doesn't cut it. It wouldn't bother me if it wasn't the call on nearly every play. I want to see some different looks and a variety of ways to put the pressure on. Force some bad throws and you will see more turnovers.

I truly believe if the guys up front put some fear in the QB, the secondary will take care of business. Pretty talented group in coverage.
OlHoss1884
10 years ago

No. We're going to get blown off the LoS in short yardage.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



It sn't just a matter of size, though. It has to do with leverage, getting low, and in some cases shooting the gaps. It's certainly an advantage to have beef up there on the goal line but not if it's guys wo tend to get high and lose leverage *cough* Pickett *cough*



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