steveishere
10 years ago
Barclay is not as good as Lang run blocking. GB had the 2nd highest YPC average on inside runs in the league last year. I think Lang is probably a little better than Sitton run blocking but Sitton is one of the best pass blocking G in the NFL. Lang is easily above average overall as a G. Maybe Barclay will make a good G but he wasn't very good pass or run blocking as a T.
nerdmann
10 years ago

I'm definitely higher on Lang than you. I agree on your with respect to possibly improvement in the run game. Barclay is has been a proven run blocker so far, but has been up and down in pass pro. Incidentally, last year in Detroit was one of Sitton's worst games as a pro. No one on the line did a very good job, but also Flynn was exposed big time in that game in particular.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



Well let's see.

We lost our starting C. We had no backup at the position, so we move our guy who is elite at G to C. Where he's never played before.

Does Detroit having anyone good on the interior of their Dline?
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steveishere
10 years ago

Our interior on the whole is no match for Detroit. One of the reasons I think Sitton is overrated. It isn't just last year. Our interior just gets pwned by the Lions front. Obviously, Detroit is very strong up front but they shouldn't be able to dominate us like they have been consistently. On carpet it ain't even fair.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Detroit has an elite interior DL and they handled them fine in the 1st game. In the 2nd game Lang was playing C for most of the game. If you are using that game to say he's not a good C then sure the guys not a very good C.
Dexter_Sinister
10 years ago

Well let's see.

We lost our starting C. We had no backup at the position, so we move our guy who is elite at G to C. Where he's never played before.

Does Detroit having anyone good on the interior of their Dline?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Last year, EDS was a tackle filling in for Tretter as a back up center. So essentially we lost a 3rd string center and now the sky is falling. [palm]

We have 3 centers now. Tretter is a converted tackle like EDS that the team thinks is BETTER than EDS. The other two are career centers.

They wanted Tretter in EDS's spot last year but that had to change because of his injury.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

Barclay is not as good as Lang run blocking. GB had the 2nd highest YPC average on inside runs in the league last year. I think Lang is probably a little better than Sitton run blocking but Sitton is one of the best pass blocking G in the NFL. Lang is easily above average overall as a G. Maybe Barclay will make a good G but he wasn't very good pass or run blocking as a T.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Isn't it amazing how high the Packers are on Don Barclay? Why? Yes this was not last season but they were just as high on him, then...

from profootballfocus.com...

Worst Offensive Sub

Don Barclay, OT, Green Bay Packers

There’s been a lot of shuffling on the Packers’ offensive line since right tackle Bryan Bulaga hit injured reserve and center Jeff Saturday was benched (but yet still somehow made the Pro Bowl). That’s left undrafted rookie free agent Don Barclay manning Green Bay’s right tackle spot, with shaky results. Sunday was his worst game yet, as his three sacks in pass protection were the most allowed by any tackle last week. All five pressures he allowed came in the second half, and he also tacked on two false-start penalties on third downs. With 8:28 left in the third quarter, after the rookie’s early jump had just turned 3rd-and-2 and into 3rd-and-7, Brian Robison got around Barclay to cause an Aaron Rodgers fumble at midfield. In two games versus the Vikings, Barclay has incurred four penalties and allowed eight QB pressures.


Barclay has proven to be a Marshall Newhouse level NFL tackle. If he fails inside you have legit proof this staff has no clue on what qualifies as NFL talent on the OL.


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nerdmann
10 years ago

Last year, EDS was a tackle filling in for Tretter as a back up center. So essentially we lost a 3rd string center and now the sky is falling. [palm]

We have 3 centers now. Tretter is a converted tackle like EDS that the team thinks is BETTER than EDS. The other two are career centers.

They wanted Tretter in EDS's spot last year but that had to change because of his injury.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



To be fair, EDS had been playing on the inside for what, 3-4 years?

He wasn't dominant, but he was a C.
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Barclay's value is his ability to play multiple positions. He isn't an A talent on the edge but I don't think he is Newhouse bad.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

Barclay's value is his ability to play multiple positions. He isn't an A talent on the edge but I don't think he is Newhouse bad.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



T.J. Lang's value is the same as Barclays in regard to multiple positions. Jack of all, master of none. Also, I think that is an issue with the OL. Many jack of all, with too few masters.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
We have Sitton who is an above average G and little else of merit on the OL. A bunch of JAG's. Perhaps, Sherrod and or Bulaga prove to be players. I don't consider Bulaga's career prior to injury to be all that impressive...a decent solid option at RT but was never the LT he was drafted to be.

Our OL is a middling group... nothing special. It hasn't been special at any point during MM and TT's time.
Ted Thompson does seem to have Ron Wolf's philosophy on Guards...that they are a dime a dozen. Sadly, that seems to extend to C and T, as well.

It will forever amaze me the greatness of Aaron Rodgers that he could put up an MVP season behind Marshall Newhouse at LT.

This organization is out of it's mind the way it's handled the OL over the last several years. Josh Sitton sure sounds "happy" about it:

From ESPN.com

"I think I've had five centers now," Sitton said. "So it's tough because you learn one guy and you get used to doing drills next to one guy and you just jell and you know exactly where their foot's going to be and you've going to be right next to each other. Dietrich was a hell of a player, there was no doubt about it. I really enjoyed playing next to him. But that's what we do. I've played next to, I don't know, 12 tackles since I've been here, so I'm definitely used to playing next to different players. It gives T.J. and I a little bit of a challenge to get him up to speed. It makes it interesting. It's fun teaching him and bringing him along."

---That's how you help your Hall of Fame QB out...just keep musical chairs playing and never even think of turning off the music. I suppose they could do that if they could find 5 guys who can play well at the NFL level.
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10 years ago
If Barclay were to win the starting spot then this offensive line would have the potential to be fantastic because Lang is a helluva player. Lang allowed something like only 1 sack and 17 pressures last year. Not to mention he is a very good run blocker.
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