play2win
11 years ago

So, Boykin wasn't drafted because of his 40 time? I didn't get a clear read on that simple question. The answer is... YES, Boykin didn't get drafted because of his 40 time DESPITE all of his other very attractive qualities as a player. I'm not making the 40 time any more important than what the guys who make decisions in the NFL do. Superior? LOL. Reality. You can live there or not there it isn't a superior thing at all.

P2w... why do you incessantly try to make a point that isn't valid? Their 40 times are not .05 apart. Finley ran in the 4.6 range during his pro day. Rodgers ran 4.8/9 at his.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Both of my numbers used were official NFL Combine results.

Finley: 4.83
Rodgers: 4.87

Look them up yourself. But, now you want to pick and choose measurements from an uneven playing field. One from a pro day, another from a worst recorded measurement in a single run, which is always disregarded at the Combine.

I'm willing to let the play do the talking from here on out.
Zero2Cool
11 years ago
Yeah play2win, that's what I thought. Ignore my response altogether. You know I got you!!!! 😛
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steveishere
11 years ago

So, Boykin wasn't drafted because of his 40 time? I didn't get a clear read on that simple question. The answer is... YES, Boykin didn't get drafted because of his 40 time DESPITE all of his other very attractive qualities as a player. I'm not making the 40 time any more important than what the guys who make decisions in the NFL do. Superior? LOL. Reality. You can live there or not there it isn't a superior thing at all.

P2w... why do you incessantly try to make a point that isn't valid? Their 40 times are not .05 apart. Finley ran in the 4.6 range during his pro day. Rodgers ran 4.8/9 at his.

EDIT: Here's a nice piece on Boykin and his lack of speed and other qualities.

Boykin 

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Show me something saying Boykin was projected to be a high draft pick before his combine. As far as I've been able to tell he was never seen as a a great prospect anyways. Just because you are assuming it was because of his 40 time doesn't make it true. How come Jarvis Landry got drafted in the 2nd round? Either way the point is he's proven he can play in the NFL and that a slow 40 time didn't mean that "he can't run"
uffda udfa
11 years ago

Both of my numbers used were official NFL Combine results.

Finley: 4.83
Rodgers: 4.87

Look them up yourself. But, now you want to pick and choose measurements from an uneven playing field. One from a pro day, another from a worst recorded measurement in a single run, which is always disregarded at the Combine.

I'm willing to let the play do the talking from here on out.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Again, disingenuous. Finley and Rodgers both appeared at the combine and a PRO DAY. You, conveniently, have left off Finley and Rodgers performances at their pro day and want to try and make your point based of incomplete data. Finley was 4.82. I don't want you shorting him a hundreth of a second.

I've said it multiple times only to be ignored, again, I'm sure... Finley ran in 4.6 range at pro day. Rodgers ran 4.8 and 4.9 at his proday. Finley is a good 2-3 hundredths faster. That gives you a better picture of their times.

It's like comparing a guy who runs 4.3 to a guy who runs 4.5 or 4.6 but you keep saying they had similar speed.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago

Show me something saying Boykin was projected to be a high draft pick before his combine. As far as I've been able to tell he was never seen as a a great prospect anyways. Just because you are assuming it was because of his 40 time doesn't make it true. How come Jarvis Landry got drafted in the 2nd round? Either way the point is he's proven he can play in the NFL and that a slow 40 time didn't mean that "he can't run"

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Boykin set records at Va Tech. He wasn't drafted because of his 40 time.

This is how Boykin plans to compensate for that 4.74 time in the 40 at the NFL scouting combine, the one time that — fair or unfair — is a major reason Boykin went undrafted in 2012.



Boykin's speed cost him 
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play2win
11 years ago

This portion gently irked me. What makes you think you know how well his hands are going to be in the NFL? Because his college stats were better than Finley's NFL stats? We all get tired of the same old "scripted" answers from players, but when someone like Finley speaks his mind, every on field mistake he makes gets amplified to the point where we're going to disrespect his talent by saying a ROOKIE has better hands when said ROOKIE hasn't even stepped onto a NFL field against NFL competition?

I disagree with that premise.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



What? That you were gently irked that I said something as bombastic as stating Richard Rodgers has far better hands? After seeing him in person twice in 11 on 11s, going against our LBs and DBs?

Say what you will about OTAs, but when they go 11 on 11 all balls are contested if the defender is able. Rodgers hasn't had a single drop through two weeks plus of OTAs. The competition is quite fierce.

I think he has far better hands than Finley. Big deal. I don't know why that should put anyone's nose out of joint, really. It is my own opinion after watching him pretty closely.

I know full well he is a rookie and has yet to go up against NFL competition in a live game. I made the statement and am willing to stand by it for when those days come.

Was Finley touted as having close to the best hands within his draft class at TE? I know Rodgers was...
play2win
11 years ago

Again, disingenuous. Finley and Rodgers both appeared at the combine and a PRO DAY. You, conveniently, have left off Finley and Rodgers performances at their pro day and want to try and make your point based of incomplete data. Finley was 4.82. I don't want you shorting him a hundreth of a second.

I've said it multiple times only to be ignored, again, I'm sure... Finley ran in 4.6 range at pro day. Rodgers ran 4.8 and 4.9 at his proday. Finley is a good 2-3 hundredths faster. That gives you a better picture of their times.

It's like comparing a guy who runs 4.3 to a guy who runs 4.5 or 4.6 but you keep saying they had similar speed.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



It's a difference of tents, not hundredths. And, as I posted regarding how they arrive at these measurements, hand start times are regarded as being off by as many as two tents of a second, and that doesn't take into account hand clocked finishes, which can be off by as much. Do you know with certainty the measuring technique from Finley's pro day?

There is nothing disingenuous about it. The measurements are clearly deemed subjective, and therefore should not carry the weight many fans wish to project onto them, like yourself.
steveishere
11 years ago

Boykin set records at Va Tech. He wasn't drafted because of his 40 time.



Boykin's speed cost him 

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



lol that doesn't mean much, he never even got over 850 yards for a single season. VT obviously didn't have very impressive records to break. He may have fell partly because of his 40 time but he didn't have far to fall. You keep ignoring the fact that his 40 time didn't mean anything once he got pads on in the NFL
uffda udfa
11 years ago
I haven't ignored what Boykin has done in the NFL...anywhere. This was about Rodgers, initially, and his ability to do what Finley did. Finley caught 6 passes as a rook. I hope Rodgers does better.

BTW, Finley's hands were touted as "natural" in his draft bio. I couldn't say where they rated vs other prospects because that's not a measurement at a pro day or combine.

LOL doesn't mean much? We drafted Antonio Freeman in the 3rd round. This kid had better stats. He just had terrible speed. I don't know why you just won't admit that? Why? 4.74 was the 2nd worst a WR ran in 4 years of measuring 40's the year Jarrett ran his.

I like Boykin a bunch. Nice player. He would be even better if he was faster. Given a choice between a player having a faster 40 time or slower nobody is choosing the slower one. I mean that for a single player. If you could have Boykin at 4.7 or 4.4...nobody is saying, hey, gimme the version that runs 4.7.
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steveishere
11 years ago

I haven't ignored what Boykin has done in the NFL...anywhere. This was about Rodgers, initially, and his ability to do what Finley did. Finley caught 6 passes as a rook. I hope Rodgers does better.

BTW, Finley's hands were touted as "natural" in his draft bio. I couldn't say where they rated vs other prospects because that's not a measurement at a pro day or combine.

LOL doesn't mean much? We drafted Antonio Freeman in the 3rd round. This kid had better stats. He just had terrible speed. I don't know why you just won't admit that? Why? 4.74 was the 2nd worst a WR ran in 4 years of measuring 40's the year Jarrett ran his.

I like Boykin a bunch. Nice player. He would be even better if he was faster. Given a choice between a player having a faster 40 time or slower nobody is choosing the slower one. I mean that for a single player. If you could have Boykin at 4.7 or 4.4...nobody is saying, hey, gimme the version that runs 4.7.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



ha, who was the guy that beat all of Greg Jennings college records Jamarko Simmons? Remember him?

Boykin doesn't have terrible speed though he had a terrible 40 yard dash time, his speed is perfectly fine for an NFL WR.
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