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I think the big thing uffda that I have taken some exception with is that there really isn't anything out there stating he is a head case or that he wasn't wanted by Nick Saban and Alabama, and that I believe it is a disservice to this person who is now one of our players to go off on some tangent like you have been regarding both items, when there is no factual base to them.

That's all.

You are entitled to your opinion, but, I think it isn't holding much water when all you have to point to are some off the cuff statements that you are possibly interpreting the wrong way. I have yet to see anything from you backing up your calling him a "problem child," nor that Alabama didn't want him to return for 2014.

If Saban didn't want Hubbard around he would have been dismissed from the team. That's not what happened. I went out of my way to try to find out what happened, and it turned out that he had great success as a sophomore at Alabama playing OLB. After Courtney Upshaw left via the draft, he was supposed to take over for him, but Saban had him playing multiple positions instead, as many as 6 different positions. Of course, he didn't realize the same success he had as a sophomore playing OLB exclusively, and so after his junior year 2013 he declared for the draft, and Saban has really had nothing but good things to say about him, and likewise, Hubbard has shown great respect in his comments regarding Saban.

Medically, players are taken off draft boards all the time for one thing or another, especially a suspected congenital heart defect. Turns out he doesn't have an enlarged heart, but rather that his heart is big because he is big.

Other teams passed on him. Green Bay was able to sign him as a UDFA. I am glad they did.

I just don't see the point it trying to tear down one of our own, when there really is no factual base for it. That's where I am coming from. Yeah, I got a little pissed, and I apologize if I said anything that you might have taken exception to. I just don't see any positives in continuing on this rant you've been on when there isn't much to corroborate it as being anything of substance.

This player could prove to be an epic steal in UDFA for the Packers. I'm thrilled to have him in Green Bay, playing with Matthews and Peppers. In October, he was rated the #33rd player overall in the draft. Huge.
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The guy is an UDFA. If he makes it awesome. If not so what?
It's not like Ted Thompson wasted a pick here.

The bottom line is Ted usually signs one or two of these players that turns out to be good football players and from everything I see Hubbard has as good of a chance at being one of those as anybody.

Thompson and his staff probably pay as much attention to character and give consideration to the kind of person these players are as any staff in the NFL.

If nothing else Hubbard looks like he could be a ST leader and if they get that from him it would be super.
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11 years ago
Its going to be scary to think what our front 7 will do this year if guys like this turn out to be a great find.

Peppers, CM3, Neal, this guy ...

Geez ... agree thou - we need decent ILBs and not even sure what our Dline will be looking like.

Going to be a fun year folks!
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11 years ago
P2w, You are being ostrich like in your repeated insistence that there is nothing to talk about in reference to potential character issues with this guy.

Here is the Walter blurb: ***WalterFootball.com heard from sources that Alabama didn't make much a pitch for him to comeback. *** That wouldn't have a thing to do with his enlarged heart.

Here's Nawrocki:

Has a quirky personality, inflated opinion of his ability and carries a sense of entitlement that could be difficult to manage and require a patient positional coach.

---You don't read that kind of damning statement on many prospects. You choose to believe that it's inaccurate. I take Walter and Nawrocki and the fact he wasn't drafted at all and logically conclude there's a very good chance there's something off about this guy mentally.

You trust Ted? What does that even mean? Ted didn't draft the guy...he added him as a UDFA. He didn't feel confident enough using a pick on him...Why? Are you going to claim it was his heart? If that's the case why would Ted add him at all? I believe the guy has some issues relating to his character and now that no draft pick has to be used, there's no harm in bringing him up to see if we can coach him. For you to continually insist that there's no basis for my statements is bizarre.

Alas, I want what you want... him to be a great find and difference maker for this team. I just hope his head doesn't get in the way of that and there are valid reasons for me to state it.


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11 years ago

P2w, You are being ostrich like in your repeated insistence that there is nothing to talk about in reference to potential character issues with this guy.

Here is the Walter blurb: ***WalterFootball.com heard from sources that Alabama didn't make much a pitch for him to comeback. *** That wouldn't have a thing to do with his enlarged heart.

Here's Nawrocki:

Has a quirky personality, inflated opinion of his ability and carries a sense of entitlement that could be difficult to manage and require a patient positional coach.

---You don't read that kind of damning statement on many prospects. You choose to believe that it's inaccurate. I take Walter and Nawrocki and the fact he wasn't drafted at all and logically conclude there's a very good chance there's something off about this guy mentally.

You trust Ted? What does that even mean? Ted didn't draft the guy...he added him as a UDFA. He didn't feel confident enough using a pick on him...Why? Are you going to claim it was his heart? If that's the case why would Ted add him at all? I believe the guy has some issues relating to his character and now that no draft pick has to be used, there's no harm in bringing him up to see if we can coach him. For you to continually insist that there's no basis for my statements is bizarre.

Alas, I want what you want... him to be a great find and difference maker for this team. I just hope his head doesn't get in the way of that and there are valid reasons for me to state it.


Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



It's OK. No worries. I get it. We just disagree on this.

Alabama not making a pitch for him to come back after Hubbard informed Saban of his intentions means very little. What's Saban supposed to do? It certainly doesn't translate in any way into what you stated:

...then why didn't they want him back at Bama? Sounds like they were happy to see him go.



Fact: No one from Alabama stated that they didn't want Hubbard back.

Add to that, I don't equate "quirky personality" "inflated opinion of himself" and "sense of entitlement" with "problem child" and "head case" - your words.

So, these other athletes on our team, none of them have any of those attributes? Really? Freaking A man!!!! Nearly all student athletes coming out of these major programs have some or all of those very same traits to varying degrees.
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Whether Alabama wants him back or not is not a big deal. He is an UDFA. It doesn't matter what any magazine or website thinks of him. Uncle Teddy and Mike will get him into camp and see if THEY like him or not. He costs them nothing other than a little bit of a signing bonus. They didn't even waste a 7th round draft pick on him. Woodson had a bit of a problem when he came in. Mike and he worked it out. Granted Woodson was a little older and more mature but if the kid doesn't tow the line he is gone. If he can play by the Packers rules and is productive he will say. Nothing else matters.
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11 years ago
Well, if nothing else he and HaHa hopefully have some per-existing chemistry together.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago
You must not read my posts at all... One of the main reasons this is concerning to me is most college athletes have some of these attributes...the fact Nawrocki wrote about them on Hubbard tends to make me believe they're well beyond the norm. If Hubbard doesn't make it, I'm going to guess we're going to hear about just how out there he was.

I'm hoping we don't hear that and he makes it but I have my doubts about him. Knowing you as I already do, you've probably got him penciled in as better than Lawrence Taylor. 🙂
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You must not read my posts at all... One of the main reasons this is concerning to me is most college athletes have some of these attributes...the fact Nawrocki wrote about them on Hubbard tends to make me believe they're well beyond the norm. If Hubbard doesn't make it, I'm going to guess we're going to hear about just how out there he was.

I'm hoping we don't hear that and he makes it but I have my doubts about him. Knowing you as I already do, you've probably got him penciled in as better than Lawrence Taylor. :)

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



ehhh. No. But, I do think he will have a good shot at both making the final 53 and at having a good career here in GB.

I have Carl Bradford written in for that one in permanent marker.

😆 😆 😆

BTW, I do read your posts. I like your posts. This subject we just disagree on a bit. No worries.
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11 years ago
Hey p2w... Read this story on Bama's QB and his draft fall and you just might start believing Hubbard has character issues:


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000350354/article/bengals-aj-mccarron-says-predraft-reports-hurt 

Reports surfaced Saturday that teams were left with questions about McCarron's personality during his one-on-one visits. His decision to blow off the Senior Bowl didn't sit well, and some club executives were left to ask if the Crimson Tide quarterback was liked by his teammates and would thrive under pressure at the NFL level.


---More stuff at link. AJ knows his perceived personality cost him big time. At least he didn't try blaming his fall on a medical paper. 🙂
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Hey p2w... Read this story on Bama's QB and his draft fall and you just might start believing Hubbard has character issues:


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000350354/article/bengals-aj-mccarron-says-predraft-reports-hurt 

Reports surfaced Saturday that teams were left with questions about McCarron's personality during his one-on-one visits. His decision to blow off the Senior Bowl didn't sit well, and some club executives were left to ask if the Crimson Tide quarterback was liked by his teammates and would thrive under pressure at the NFL level.


---More stuff at link. AJ knows his perceived personality cost him big time. At least he didn't try blaming his fall on a medical paper. :)

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Well bud, I can see where some of these guys may have a disproportionately high opinion of themselves as players, but I believe Saban coached that into them to some degree, and they have realized an incredible amount of success. So, if some of that goes to some of their heads, I can see how that might happen.

Let's just let the chips fall and see what happens. I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the Adrian Hubbard signing.
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11 years ago
Given the high bust rate of Bama players they really have no reason to be all that high on themselves. I'm actually encouraged by the fact Hubbard didn't reach his potential at Alabama. I think Peppers will be a HUGE motivating factor for that young man. If you idolized a player and you got to go learn from him, that's going to motivate you like crazy.

Somehow, it looks as though Ha Ha didn't fall into the same trap AJ and Hubbard may have, and Lacy before them.
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11 years ago
Alright so if he's a dick we dump him. He's an UDFA. No big deal. If he's awesome, then cool beans.
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11 years ago
Our boy Adrian is proclaiming himself ROOKIE OF THE YEAR on his twitter page. Nope, that's completely "normal"... I can't figure out why Nawrocki would say he has an overblown opinion of himself? :)

https://twitter.com/__unchained42 
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steveishere
11 years ago
That's a hell of a lot better to hear than something like "I didn't get drafted so I probably suck and won't have much of an NFL career" A player being confident about his future seems normal enough to me anyways.
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11 years ago
I like him more now.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago

That's a hell of a lot better to hear than something like "I didn't get drafted so I probably suck and won't have much of an NFL career" A player being confident about his future seems normal enough to me anyways.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



In doing some research, I believe Hubbard is referring to the name of his shoes.... not any prediction about his football prowess.
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While bagging on this kid.. you do realize that he graduates this spring.. now, you have your degree... have won a national championship while at school and have an opportunity to go to the NFL.

So how is it so "turrible" that this kid left to pursue his dream? He sat down and discussed it with Saban and made a decision.

By the way.. using Nolan Nawrocki as a source thinking he has inside knowledge.. might want to read this .

Personally.. I will wait to see how he fares in TC later this summer to form a firm opinion of how he fits in.. if he fits in. Because of your passion to thump the kid into the ground.. I have read more than I typically would on an undrafted kid. Haven't read a damn thing that concerns me.. overtly confident Bama kid.. not that different from the norm.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago

While bagging on this kid.. you do realize that he graduates this spring.. now, you have your degree... have won a national championship while at school and have an opportunity to go to the NFL.

So how is it so "turrible" that this kid left to pursue his dream? He sat down and discussed it with Saban and made a decision.

By the way.. using Nolan Nawrocki as a source thinking he has inside knowledge.. might want to read this .

Personally.. I will wait to see how he fares in TC later this summer to form a firm opinion of how he fits in.. if he fits in. Because of your passion to thump the kid into the ground.. I have read more than I typically would on an undrafted kid. Haven't read a damn thing that concerns me.. overtly confident Bama kid.. not that different from the norm.

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I've seen and read the Deadspin piece. Do you think Nawrocki is the only one who concluded that? Did you see the piece on McCarron? Why did he fall? Was it because Nawrocki bagged on him? Nope. Did Hubbard not get drafted because Nawrocki bagged on him? Nope? What Nawrocki wrote didn't affect either Hubbard's or McCarron's trajectory in the draft. I'm not sure that you can't conclude that NFL teams came away with the same impressions as Nawrocki on Hubbard, and they formed their own on McCarron, too. I laugh at the idea it's about a medical paper not getting to teams. Do you seriously buy that at all? That is one of things I'm having a little fun with. If you really believe that then state it. Tell me you think I'm way off and Hubbard is the one who is right, here. His reasoning for why he didn't get drafted is the correct one.

This all started by me expressing concern Hubbard might be a space cadet. I'm concerned about it, but I saw him post a pic of him studying his playbook on instagram. If the stuff was or wasn't true, it appears to have motivaed him in some form or fashion and that's a great thing. I hope he stays on track and this bravado on Twitter of making the other 31 teams pay comes true. Why would I want him or any Packer to fail? I don't.



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11 years ago
Man we sure are hyping the hell out of this guy.
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