Yeah, I've seen him in the 10-15 range. But, stocks do fall, and maybe his does. I still question whether or not he is all of that. Is it his SEC experience that is driving up his stock? Because, to me, there are a handful more guys playing the position with equal or better skills/measureables. Pure, layman's fan perspective though. Sure, he is a good player and I would't mind at all if he were our pick. Not one bit.

Agree on the mocks. I haven't seen him falling.

Originally Posted by: play2win 

I don't watch enough college football outside of the Badgers to claim to be anything approaching an expert. So we're discussing layman to layman.

I'm curious who you look at with equal or better skills/measurables. Pryor is two inches shorter and ran the same 40 time. He looks and tested stronger. I love his hits but despise that he never appears to wrap up. We've seen enough missed tackles the past few years. Maybe that could be fixed with coaching, though. I'd be happy with Pryor as well.

Terrence Brooks looks like he has fantastic speed and range. He's two inches shorter but tested much better in the vertical. I read he had trouble catching the ball and also doesn't like to wrap up. He'd probably be a good shout on the second day.

Maybe you mean some of the guys that are projected a little bit later?

In any event, he seems like a good all-around safety prospect. I like his pedigree and what I read about him. Then again, it would be fair to say some of the Alabama and other SEC prospects have been overhyped coming out (thankfully, that wasn't the case with Lacy).

I actually like Mosley and would hope to get one of the other guys later but I am a little worried about Mosley's injury history.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

Buckeye, since Clinton-Dix actually DID last until #21 in your stand pat draft, why would you say you don't think he will last that long? In most of the mock drafts I've seen, he is still there. I like that one of yours mainly because you went back for another Safety in the 3rd round too.

Wade, as I have said, with the Packer propensity to cross-train O-Linemen to play Center and to not do a lot of sophisticated stuff from the Center position, I really don't think they should or will draft a Center until very late if at all.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

There are 16 Offensive players who are rated high enough to be drafted in the 1st rnd.

What I hope happens is the teams drafting ahead of The Packers draft these players.

The Packers could use a TE(Ebron) or O-lineman(Martin), even one of the top WR's would be nice, but if Offensive players go high and often, that leaves plenty of defensive players for Ted to pick and choose from.

01 Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida QB
02 Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M OT
03 Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M QB
04 Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson WR
05 Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville QB
06 Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn OT
07 Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame OT
08 Odell Beckham, WR, LSU WR
09 Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
10 Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
11 Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina TE
12 Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M WR
13 Tre Mason, RB, Auburn RB
14 Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State WR
15 Marcus Martin, C, Southern California C
16 Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State QB

Here is a list of 22 Defensive players which Ted should be able to grab at least 2 of them without trading up.

01 Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina DE
02 Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh DT
03 Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
04 Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo OLB
05 Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama FS
06 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
07 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
08 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
09 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
10 Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
11 Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young
12 Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
13 Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
14 Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
15 Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina
16 Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
17 Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
18 Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
19 Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
20 Carl Bradford, OLB, Arizona State
21 C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
22 Terrence Brooks, FS, Florida State

One thing I have learned is there are plenty of high rated DT's in this draft, a really good one (Anthony Johnson) always seems to still available late into the 3rd rnd.

Ted could grab a TE or WR in the 1st or 2nd and still have a shot at D-line help in the 3rd.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

Out for Orange Bowl with knee injury. Third year junior that has already declared. Came in to 2013 as one of the top CBs in the nation but I have been unimpressed all year. Roby has elite movement skills with legit sub 4.4 speed. He can turn his hips and change direction with ease. My issues with him are the extreme lack of ball skills. He is struggles badly in deep coverage when it comes to locating the ball and making a play. In addition, he doesn’t always make the effort I want to see against the run. Dave Syvertsen, Ourlads' Draft Analyst

Fourth year junior that has already graduated and is seeking a grade from the advisory board. Most think he will leave early. Bradford is a hybrid DE/OLB that has had a nice two year run since the start of 2012 (39.5 TFL and 20 sacks). He is another fun player to watch because of his overly aggressive style. He is an all out hustler that wears a lot of hats for this team. When it comes to a tool set and overall ability, I think he is average across the board. A lot of his production comes from pure hustle and that’s not a bad thing at all, but it is something to consider. Can he, at this size, be a factor at the 3-4 OLB role? I see him as a solid contributor that can backup multiple spots and see some spot duty in pass rush situations. But as an every down player, I don’t see a difference maker. I’ll likely have him graded in the 3rd/4th round area but I think he goes higher. Dave Syvertsen, Ourlads' Draft Analyst

Yeah mi_keys, I like SS Deone Bucannon 6-1 211 out of Washington State, FS Jonathan Dowling 6-3 198 out of Western Kentucky, FS Ed Reynolds 6-1 207 out of Stanford, and SS Ahmad Dixon 6-0 212 out of Baylor - all of them as much or more than Clinton-Dix or Pryor. I would say Reynolds if only for the size in projecting him to the NFL and what we are seeing today. The others, Bucannon, Dowling and Dixon are all super solid tacklers and have a knack for picking the ball or forcing TOs.

Clinton-Dix is a 4.54-4.58 guys speed wise, had 56 tackles, 2 INTs last season and 6 passes defended. Was also suspended for 2 games. That gives me some pause, when we are talking top 10-15 in draft order.

Compare to Bucannon's 4.49 40 time, 78 solo tackles (114 total), 6 INTs (15 on his career), 3 FFs, has a larger presence about him. I consider him the #1 S in this draft.

Originally Posted by: play2win