Packers to re-sign Starks to a two year deal· Page 3

sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

I would stop short of saying Franklin "can't play" in the NFL, but I certainly don't think has the ability already shown by Starks and to a lesser extent, by Harris.

Wade, I disagree. Of the two Jameses, I'm glad they apparently are keeping Starks and letting Jones go.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Initially I would have rather seen Jones retained but you are probably right. Having Starks' established, performance to back up Lacy is more important. If Lacy were to go down I haven't seen enough from Franklin or Harris to be very confident of either of them to be a long term fix. If Cobb OR Nelson were to go down Rodgers might be able to make any of the other guys we have on the roster a semi serviceable replacement.

In fact, we should let Nelson and Cobb walk after this year, use their money to fix the defense and replace them with 6th round draft choices and go with Boykin as our #1. After all the passing game is all Aaron Rodgers anyway. He can make any WR look like an all pro.

The second paragraph was sarcasm. The first was not.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#22

Originally Posted by: sschind

Well, Ted Thompson has also proven he's very capable of drafting/obtaining talented wide receivers. I'm not sure the same can be said for running back, outside of Lacy and possibly Starks (Maybe Grant? Among several duds). I have no doubt Ted Thompson can find more talented wide receivers to at least come close to providing what James Jones did to the offense. It's one of his strengths as a talent evaluator.

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#23

We're deeper at RB than at WR. But Starks is younger.

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sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#24

We're deeper at RB than at WR. But Starks is younger.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Right now but going into FA I'd say no which is why he may have been the better player to keep than Jones.

Our passing game does have Aaron Rodgers. While I think too many people feel he can turn bad WRs into good ones at the drop of a hat (or a football) it does help to have someone with his ability throwing the ball. It would take up a bit of the hurt if Jordy or Randal goes down as opposed to Lacy if we didn't have Starks to back him up.

porky88
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#25

Originally Posted by: sschind

It wasn’t a one or the other type of deal. You assign a value to a player and you don’t exceed that value. That’s how the Packers (and most teams) conduct business. Starks and Jones had different values. The Raiders exceeded the value Green Bay placed on Jones, while nobody did for Starks. That’s why Starks is back and Jones is in Oakland. Had nobody exceeded Green Bay’s value on Jones, they both would be back.

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sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: porky88

I understand that. I know that Packers didn't say "we are only going to bring one of these guys back and its going to be Starks because he will be cheaper" I'm talking about assigning that value to a player. We don't know what value Ted assigned to Jones but IMO it was too low. My thinking was around 2 million for Starks and 3.5 up to 4 for Jones. Obviously Jones got close to that so the Packers were thinking less, how much less we don't know and we may never know.

it's possible the Packers didn't even assign a value to Jones because from what I have heard then never offered him a deal. Whether he got the offer from the Raiders and gave the Packers a chance to match and they said no is not known and that also may never be known. Truth be told, if I didn't even get an offer from my current team I don't know if I would go back to them with a chance to match either.

But even all that is not really what I was talking about. I was talking about simply getting players back. Initially I thought Jones would be the better player to retain if we had a choice or had to make a choice but now I am not so sure.

DakotaT
Select Member

11 years ago

#27

What I like about Starks is that he has a lot younger legs than his age would indicate. We've already gotten the best out of James Jones. If there was a decision between the two, retaining Starks is a no brainer.

As I've said before, WR is one position I do not worry about. The worst I've ever seen was Freeman, Corey Bradford, and Billy Schroeder - and Schroeder and Bradford got paid. Then Driver stepped up and we drafted Javon Walker.

Do not be terribly surprised if the Packers spend their first rounder on a WR. It would have to be the right guy though.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#28

With only 3 WR's with much experience, anyone think The Packers may show some looks with Franklin or Harris teaming with Lacy or Starks in the backfield then splitting out to create a mismatch on a LB'r or Safety in the passing game/

I like the thought of having 4 rb's who have shown they can play.

I know Franklin and Harris have not had a lot of playing time due to injury, but both proved to be effective when in the lineup.

Lot's of different looks with 3 experienced WR's and 4 experience rb's.

Hell up until last year the Packers were lucky to keep 1 rb healthy, so it's not a bad thing to have 4 that are available.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

If I recall, Harris has that 4.3 type speed, doesn't he? I know Mike wanted him to be a Darren Sproles type dude. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. He's a little on the short side, though.

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beast
Select Member

11 years ago

#30

If I recall, Harris has that 4.3 type speed, doesn't he? I know Mike wanted him to be a Darren Sproles type dude. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. He's a little on the short side, though.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

No... more like 4.45 or so... he just looks faster because he's really small and quick.

And Harris is no Sproles and Sproles is no Harris...

Sproles is a 5'6" WR in the back-field. He has no power, and needs space and open field to get work or he's done. (kind of like Franklin, though as Franklin, Cobb and Sproles have shown a WR in the backfield can work if you protect them, use them wisely and get them extra spot to work their quickness, speed and magic.)(also Franklin showed he could effectively block which surprised me, it wasn't great but it was decent and good enough).

Harris is a true small RB with surprising power for his size and while he's no short yardage back he can run between the tackles normally and work at times with no space and make something happen out of nothing.

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