PackFanWithTwins
16 years ago
Just about every DE I see in this draft is on the small side. Most are 260 or less. There are only a couple 270 or above, at least that are currently shown in the top of the class. I am not sold on the small DE in the 4-3 the team plays. They are easily moved in the run game. That is why Jenkins was moved to DE in the first place.

Do we really want to draft a DE high in the draft that is going to get a big check and not be an every down player. I am thinking that if there is not a great Olineman at #9, a trade back in the 1st picking up a 2nd in the process and have the ability to pick up a 300 lb DT that has the ability to play DE run also. I am just picturing having two Jenkins playing at the same time with the flexibility to move them around and cause havoc.

Then probably having two early 2nds to fill the Oline with.
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago

Just about every DE I see in this draft is on the small side. Most are 260 or less. There are only a couple 270 or above, at least that are currently shown in the top of the class. I am not sold on the small DE in the 4-3 the team plays. They are easily moved in the run game. That is why Jenkins was moved to DE in the first place.

Do we really want to draft a DE high in the draft that is going to get a big check and not be an every down player. I am thinking that if there is not a great Olineman at #9, a trade back in the 1st picking up a 2nd in the process and have the ability to pick up a 300 lb DT that has the ability to play DE run also. I am just picturing having two Jenkins playing at the same time with the flexibility to move them around and cause havoc.

Then probably having two early 2nds to fill the Oline with.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



That's actually a really good idea. Who is another "Jenkins" in the draft that can play DE and DT though?

By the way, Brian Orakpo is 6'4" - 260 lbs and he has run a 4.62 40 yard dash. I think that if he is still on the board at #9, we should take him. If not, we should go with your plan...But is there a DT that can play DE in the NFL? Or the other way around? (DE that can play DT)
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PackFanWithTwins
16 years ago
There are a few around 300 lbs with sub 5 second 40's. I will have to keep and eye out a few of them are under classmen. I am just worried about a undersized early pick being a project (waiting on size) or only being a pass rusher for starter money.

I like the prospect of a player coming in being able to play run and pass, and if he bulks up becoming just a DT.

All in all it was just an idea and option to look outside the first big names that appear.
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toronto_cheesehead
16 years ago

Just about every DE I see in this draft is on the small side. Most are 260 or less. There are only a couple 270 or above, at least that are currently shown in the top of the class. I am not sold on the small DE in the 4-3 the team plays. They are easily moved in the run game. That is why Jenkins was moved to DE in the first place.

Do we really want to draft a DE high in the draft that is going to get a big check and not be an every down player. I am thinking that if there is not a great Olineman at #9, a trade back in the 1st picking up a 2nd in the process and have the ability to pick up a 300 lb DT that has the ability to play DE run also. I am just picturing having two Jenkins playing at the same time with the flexibility to move them around and cause havoc.

Then probably having two early 2nds to fill the Oline with.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



That's actually a really good idea. Who is another "Jenkins" in the draft that can play DE and DT though?

By the way, Brian Orakpo is 6'4" - 260 lbs and he has run a 4.62 40 yard dash. I think that if he is still on the board at #9, we should take him. If not, we should go with your plan...But is there a DT that can play DE in the NFL? Or the other way around? (DE that can play DT)

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Jackson from LSU seems to fit that profile. He play DE on running downs and DT on passing downs. Fili Moala out of USC has been mentioned as a DT/DE, but I think as a DE he's being talked about as a 5-technique, so in our scheme he'd probably just be a tackle.
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago

Just about every DE I see in this draft is on the small side. Most are 260 or less. There are only a couple 270 or above, at least that are currently shown in the top of the class. I am not sold on the small DE in the 4-3 the team plays. They are easily moved in the run game. That is why Jenkins was moved to DE in the first place.

Do we really want to draft a DE high in the draft that is going to get a big check and not be an every down player. I am thinking that if there is not a great Olineman at #9, a trade back in the 1st picking up a 2nd in the process and have the ability to pick up a 300 lb DT that has the ability to play DE run also. I am just picturing having two Jenkins playing at the same time with the flexibility to move them around and cause havoc.

Then probably having two early 2nds to fill the Oline with.

"toronto_cheesehead" wrote:



That's actually a really good idea. Who is another "Jenkins" in the draft that can play DE and DT though?

By the way, Brian Orakpo is 6'4" - 260 lbs and he has run a 4.62 40 yard dash. I think that if he is still on the board at #9, we should take him. If not, we should go with your plan...But is there a DT that can play DE in the NFL? Or the other way around? (DE that can play DT)

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Jackson from LSU seems to fit that profile. He play DE on running downs and DT on passing downs. Fili Moala out of USC has been mentioned as a DT/DE, but I think as a DE he's being talked about as a 5-technique, so in our scheme he'd probably just be a tackle.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Well, I still think we should go Orakpo if he's still on the board.
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toronto_cheesehead
16 years ago

Just about every DE I see in this draft is on the small side. Most are 260 or less. There are only a couple 270 or above, at least that are currently shown in the top of the class. I am not sold on the small DE in the 4-3 the team plays. They are easily moved in the run game. That is why Jenkins was moved to DE in the first place.

Do we really want to draft a DE high in the draft that is going to get a big check and not be an every down player. I am thinking that if there is not a great Olineman at #9, a trade back in the 1st picking up a 2nd in the process and have the ability to pick up a 300 lb DT that has the ability to play DE run also. I am just picturing having two Jenkins playing at the same time with the flexibility to move them around and cause havoc.

Then probably having two early 2nds to fill the Oline with.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



That's actually a really good idea. Who is another "Jenkins" in the draft that can play DE and DT though?

By the way, Brian Orakpo is 6'4" - 260 lbs and he has run a 4.62 40 yard dash. I think that if he is still on the board at #9, we should take him. If not, we should go with your plan...But is there a DT that can play DE in the NFL? Or the other way around? (DE that can play DT)

"toronto_cheesehead" wrote:



Jackson from LSU seems to fit that profile. He play DE on running downs and DT on passing downs. Fili Moala out of USC has been mentioned as a DT/DE, but I think as a DE he's being talked about as a 5-technique, so in our scheme he'd probably just be a tackle.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Well, I still think we should go Orakpo if he's still on the board.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Well at 9 Orakpo would definitely be a better pick. Jackson and Moala are probably first rounders, but not until the latter third of the first round.
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago
I think a first rounder is a first rounder if that's what you need......
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TheEngineer
16 years ago
How easy is it to get the player to put on some additional pounds?
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porky88
16 years ago

Just about every DE I see in this draft is on the small side. Most are 260 or less. There are only a couple 270 or above, at least that are currently shown in the top of the class. I am not sold on the small DE in the 4-3 the team plays. They are easily moved in the run game. That is why Jenkins was moved to DE in the first place.

Do we really want to draft a DE high in the draft that is going to get a big check and not be an every down player. I am thinking that if there is not a great Olineman at #9, a trade back in the 1st picking up a 2nd in the process and have the ability to pick up a 300 lb DT that has the ability to play DE run also. I am just picturing having two Jenkins playing at the same time with the flexibility to move them around and cause havoc.

Then probably having two early 2nds to fill the Oline with.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



You develop him as an every down player. Even if he doesn't play first down and 10 all the often doesn't mean he's a bad pick. The Packers get beat through the air because of the lack of pass rush and if you add that, you get a much better defense. That's what the No. 9 pick is all about. Adding an impact player and pass rush is as important as any aspect of the game.

As far as two Jenkins' goes. I think we forget he was a big time bust in 2007. Jenkins is a flexible player that creates flexibility in your defense, but he's not worth having if you can't have a player to plug in for him at DT on running downs or DE on passing downs. To use Jenkins properly, the Packers will need to grab that type of player whether it's Brian Orakpo or Everrett Brown or Gerald McCoy the DT from OU.
go.pack.go.
16 years ago

Just about every DE I see in this draft is on the small side. Most are 260 or less. There are only a couple 270 or above, at least that are currently shown in the top of the class. I am not sold on the small DE in the 4-3 the team plays. They are easily moved in the run game. That is why Jenkins was moved to DE in the first place.

Do we really want to draft a DE high in the draft that is going to get a big check and not be an every down player. I am thinking that if there is not a great Olineman at #9, a trade back in the 1st picking up a 2nd in the process and have the ability to pick up a 300 lb DT that has the ability to play DE run also. I am just picturing having two Jenkins playing at the same time with the flexibility to move them around and cause havoc.

Then probably having two early 2nds to fill the Oline with.

"porky88" wrote:



You develop him as an every down player. Even if he doesn't play first down and 10 all the often doesn't mean he's a bad pick. The Packers get beat through the air because of the lack of pass rush and if you add that, you get a much better defense. That's what the No. 9 pick is all about. Adding an impact player and pass rush is as important as any aspect of the game.

As far as two Jenkins' goes. I think we forget he was a big time bust in 2007. Jenkins is a flexible player that creates flexibility in your defense, but he's not worth having if you can't have a player to plug in for him at DT on running downs or DE on passing downs. To use Jenkins properly, the Packers will need to grab that type of player whether it's Brian Orakpo or Everrett Brown or Gerald McCoy the DT from OU.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Jolly isn't that bad at stopping the run. We could plug him in there while he's at DE and we can put Orakpo /Brown/Whoever we get at DE in passing situations. Also, we could get a big DT in the second round that can give Jenkins a rest.
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