I don't know man. Our OL was indeed responsible for Aaron having to break out of the pocket. Moreso Bakhtiari being manhandled by Peppers, forcing Rodgers out to his right, than Barclay. There was no pocket. Peppers blew it up inside.

Originally Posted by: play2win 

I don't know what play you are watching, Rodgers had no pressure on him, he did what he has done many times,(instead of throwing the ball away), he saw what he thought was a chance to extend the play by breaking the pocket, Barclay is expecting him to drop back and get rid of the ball, Peppers is nowhere near Aaron until he breaks to the right, again screwing Barclay big time.

Look Aaron scrambling has worked many times, just so happens that play he got caught trying to extend the play.

I guess Barcvlay is supposed to have eyes in the back of his head.

Whether The Packers bring EDS back or not, the rest of the line is going to be solid with plenty of depth. if they stay healthy.

I just prefer EDS back so there is no adjustments needing to be made a the center position.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

Did you read what I said at all? My point about "big gap between Sitton and Lang" is the point that there are multiple levels of play. I do NOT believe we have to get Sitton level players to improve over the performance of Lang, Bulaga, et al.

There have been great offensive lines, and none of them have been All-Pros across the line. But all of them have been better, a lot better, than the Packer OL during the Thompson/McCarthy years.

I'm sorry, but the "we can't afford more" won't wash with me. Not over a nine year period. Yeah, they have a lot of money invested in Lang. They also have a lot of money invested in Brad Jones. Sometimes money is badly invested. Nine years of putting your NFL money in the Langs and Jones of the world is evidence of bad investment strategy.

The Packers may have no way of paying for improvement in the OL this year. Given the problems on defense, I won't dispute this.

But, one last time, this has not been a one year failure. This has been close to a decade of inability to put together a dominant line.

Call it being content, call it being frugal, call it being satisfied, blame it on injuries, blame it on being left in salary cap hell by Sherman, blame it on not being able to draft high enough, blame it on not coaching people up enough, call it whatever you damn want. Whatever you blame it on, the Packers have not had a dominant offensive line in the entire Ted Thompson/Mike McCarthy era.

I call it unacceptable.

Originally Posted by: Wade 

I watched the same play. I guess we have a different take on what Aaron's options were on that, and why. Stop watching Barclay, as he was not at fault. Watch Bakhtiari. His failed block allowed Peppers to bust the pocket completely, forcing Aaron to his right.

Yeah, it happens. Aaron has created many a great play outside the pocket. This time is just happened to cost him half a season with a broken collar bone. But, saying the OL was not responsible ignores a failed block that forced Aaron into trouble. Right?

Originally Posted by: play2win 

Take a look at Boykin, he is open, the play was 3 steps get rid of the ball, it was also 3rd and 8, Aaron pulls the ball down and scrambles instead of letting it go.

Aaron got caught scrambling, probably thinking Boykin is not going to be able to get the 1st down.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

I believe this is true. We haven't had a dominant OL. Not at all. Aaron's ability to get the ball out quicker than most QBs in the NFL has made whoever we've thrown out there look way better than they were. Rodgers has been one of the most sacked QBs over the last 4 or 5 years. Have to admit too, our OL has essentially been thrown together over the last 4 seasons. See what sticks to the wall...

I thought Ted should have signed Bryant McKinney last offseason as an insurance plan, since they had no real answer on the left side of the line and were once again scrambling to get it together. Had he done that, Aaron may not have blown out the collar bone… Peppers may have been blocked, allowing Rodgers to step up into the pocket.

I'd like to see some aggressive pursuit of talent by Ted for a change. We need it.

There is a ton of blame to go around, from not having the players, to injuries, to Campen's coaching, to McCarthy's slow, tepid introduction of a running game over this 4-5 years span, forcing his OL into step back pass sets absorbing the opposing DL rush instead of a balanced pass/run attack which allows our OL to tee off in run blocking.

ugh. I just hope we get this addressed. Get some players healthy. Do a better job of training and coaching and play calling.

Originally Posted by: play2win 

Yes, Aaron has the "ability" to get the ball out quicker. Unfortunately he's usually holding it, waiting for something to come open deep.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Did you read what I said at all? My point about "big gap between Sitton and Lang" is the point that there are multiple levels of play. I do NOT believe we have to get Sitton level players to improve over the performance of Lang, Bulaga, et al.

There have been great offensive lines, and none of them have been All-Pros across the line. But all of them have been better, a lot better, than the Packer OL during the Thompson/McCarthy years.

I'm sorry, but the "we can't afford more" won't wash with me. Not over a nine year period. Yeah, they have a lot of money invested in Lang. They also have a lot of money invested in Brad Jones. Sometimes money is badly invested. Nine years of putting your NFL money in the Langs and Jones of the world is evidence of bad investment strategy.

The Packers may have no way of paying for improvement in the OL this year. Given the problems on defense, I won't dispute this.

But, one last time, this has not been a one year failure. This has been close to a decade of inability to put together a dominant line.

Call it being content, call it being frugal, call it being satisfied, blame it on injuries, blame it on being left in salary cap hell by Sherman, blame it on not being able to draft high enough, blame it on not coaching people up enough, call it whatever you damn want. Whatever you blame it on, the Packers have not had a dominant offensive line in the entire Ted Thompson/Mike McCarthy era.

I call it unacceptable.

Originally Posted by: Wade 

It's been pretty well proven you don't really need a "dominant" OL to win championships so I don't see why it's so unacceptable to not have one. Only in your world where good players suck if they aren't dominant I guess.

Originally Posted by: steveishere