Zero2Cool
11 years ago

Yeah, show up for and pay attention in, the team meetings like a goddamn normal person. This IS your job after all. lol

FACT: Finley KNOWS McKenzie is too conservative to allow him back on the field. His ONLY HOPE is to avoid that examination altogether and go to a different team. If I'm Jmike, my agent is scouting out which teams have the most liberal team physicians.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You feel another team will skip the physical and pay him in excess of $6 million per year? I'm going to clue you in on a little somfin somfin. Every team has a medical staff. Every player goes through a physical. True, some GM's will force the medical staff to "clear" the player.


FACT: No one knows if McKenzie will clear Finley.


Sean Richardson was cleared. How do their injuries differ or how are they similar?
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play2win
11 years ago

You feel another team will skip the physical and pay him in excess of $6 million per year? I'm going to clue you in on a little somfin somfin. Every team has a medical staff. Every player goes through a physical. True, some GM's will force the medical staff to "clear" the player.


FACT: No one knows if McKenzie will clear Finley.


Sean Richardson was cleared. How do their injuries differ or how are they similar?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Off the top of my head, I believe Finley's was a C3-4, where Richardson's was a C5-6. I could be wrong. There is greater risk for serious re-injury at 3-4 vs. 5-6.

Finley's season ended on a huge hit by Browns safety Tashaun Gipson. He suffered a neck injury and spent some time in the intensive care unit. Then he had surgery to fuse together his C3 and C4 vertebrae. Despite how scary that sounds for a player who makes his living catching passes in the middle of the field, he wants to play tight end again.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jermichael-finley-excited-play-again-spinal-fusion-surgery-171659287--nfl.html

Many players have resumed their careers after single-level fusion surgery, most notably Denver quarterback Peyton Manning. The Packers would not clear Collins, who suffered the injury at C-3 and C-4, after fusion surgery.

Hsu said renowned spine surgeon Robert Watkins has advised NFL players who had the fusion at C-3, C-4 not to return because C-1, C-2 could bear the brunt of another forceful compression. Some other surgeons will allow a return. The Packers have consulted with Watkins on a number of players, including Richardson.



http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/return-of-jermichael-finley-unlikely-without-surgery-b99126233z1-228880141.html#ixzz2sviOhbxn 
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Since Collins’ injury, two other Packers players have sustained similar injuries. Tight end Jermichael Finley and safety Sean Richardson both had fusion surgeries. Richardson, who was cleared to return late last season, had his C-5 and C-6 vertebra fused. It is considered safer at that spot because it is lower on the spine and farther away from the base of the skull.

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/tag/_/name/sean-richardson
nerdmann
11 years ago

You feel another team will skip the physical and pay him in excess of $6 million per year? I'm going to clue you in on a little somfin somfin. Every team has a medical staff. Every player goes through a physical. True, some GM's will force the medical staff to "clear" the player.


FACT: No one knows if McKenzie will clear Finley.


Sean Richardson was cleared. How do their injuries differ or how are they similar?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



If Finley gets examined by our team doctor, he will NEVER PLAY AGAIN. He knows that, and his agent knows that.

His only chance is to get examined by someone else, who will clear him to play.
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mi_keys
11 years ago

If Finley gets examined by our team doctor, he will NEVER PLAY AGAIN. He knows that, and his agent knows that.

His only chance is to get examined by someone else, who will clear him to play.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



What an absurd assertion. If Dr. McKenzie was so influential that his word determined the fate of a player regardless of the opinions of any other doctors then all 32 teams would seek his opinion every time there was a major injury. A player wouldn't have a choice to avoid McKenzie's examination if his opinion were that influential.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

What an absurd assertion. If Dr. McKenzie was so influential that his word determined the fate of a player regardless of the opinions of any other doctors then all 32 teams would seek his opinion every time there was a major injury. A player wouldn't have a choice to avoid McKenzie's examination if his opinion were that influential.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



No doctor wants to be the guy who let a player get injured, after someone else said they shouldn't play.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

No doctor wants to be the guy who let a player get injured, after someone else said they shouldn't play.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yet if we believe Nick Collins, that is exactly what has happened - and Collins, for whatever reason, still seems to be giving the Packers first crack at his talents. Or is he just lying?

I wish they would get the LAWYERS to clear him, and then hell with what the damn doctors say - protect the team against lawsuits with disclaimers, and then sign Collins. That seems like a pretty obvious way to go.


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nerdmann
11 years ago

Yet if we believe Nick Collins, that is exactly what has happened - and Collins, for whatever reason, still seems to be giving the Packers first crack at his talents. Or is he just lying?

I wish they would get the LAWYERS to clear him, and then hell with what the damn doctors say - protect the team against lawsuits with disclaimers, and then sign Collins. That seems like a pretty obvious way to go.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



LOL. What in the HELL are you talking about? Who has cleared Colllins to play?
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

You feel another team will skip the physical and pay him in excess of $6 million per year? I'm going to clue you in on a little somfin somfin. Every team has a medical staff. Every player goes through a physical. True, some GM's will force the medical staff to "clear" the player.


FACT: No one knows if McKenzie will clear Finley.


Sean Richardson was cleared. How do their injuries differ or how are they similar?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Injuries are similar in that they are a fusion. The differ in location. Nick and Finley are higher up the spine. The higher up the greater the risk.


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mi_keys
11 years ago

No doctor wants to be the guy who let a player get injured, after someone else said they shouldn't play.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



So doctors have never had dissenting opinions on whether a player can and/or should return to action?

Why do teams/players even bother with second, third, fourth, etc. opinions once one doctor has refused to clear a player?
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11 years ago
Me, if I had *one* doctor telling me there was a real risk for spinal injury, I'd retire in a second.

Of course, I've never had a skill that people would pay me 7 figures for, either. But risking being able to, say, walk, would trump things for me.

Even though I'm sure I would have been one of those "financially irresponsible" young players who would have blown his entire first contract on wine, women, and song.






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