Packers getting left behind by NFL elite· Page 2

mi_keys
Senior Member

11 years ago

Not once in those four games did the opposing coordinators all-out blitz Rodgers, and on a mere 12.3% of passes did they even pressure with five. Just as San Francisco's Vic Fangio did last Sunday, the way to subdue Rodgers in the postseason is to make him be patient.

Make him be patient? They aren't blitzing because they don't have to. The pressure is there with a 3 and 4 man rush. The defense blitzing in those situations would be the equivalent of using a bazooka in close quarters combat: it's overkill and you end up burning yourself. And I wholeheartedly disagree with the premise that Kaepernick outplayed Rodgers this last time around. If you switch the two, the 49ers win going away.

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Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#12

I'm not much of a McGinn fan. (Actually, I'm not a McGinn fan at all.)

But this is a good opinion piece. Not at all the oomphlessness I've come to expect from the "Packer Press Corps."

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steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#13

While there is certainly validity to Bob's article and I agree with some of the points made. There is some absolte bs presented. Some have already pointed out some of the more material oversights but I wanted to highlight another:

Make him be patient? They aren't blitzing because they don't have to. The pressure is there with a 3 and 4 man rush. The defense blitzing in those situations would be the equivalent of using a bazooka in close quarters combat: it's overkill and you end up burning yourself. And I wholeheartedly disagree with the premise that Kaepernick outplayed Rodgers this last time around. If you switch the two, the 49ers win going away.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

Yeah I thought that was dumb when I read it too. It's like he hasn't watched Rodgers at all the last 6 years, Rodgers is as patient as it gets. Guy loves to hold the ball if you let him, the problem is if you get quick pressure with 3 or 4 pass rushers there's not much anyone can do. That's not making him be patient that's called not letting him be patient.

cheeseheads123
Member

11 years ago

#14

For a team being "left behind" they sure held their own against that elite team in San Fran. They held their own much better than that other "elite" team in Carolina.

The Packers don't have the luxury that Seattle, San Fran, and I guess Carolina have. But they won't have that luxury for much longer because they will be picking later in the draft and they will be busting out the checkbooks.

The way I see it is that these current elite teams have a window and their window will only last as long as their current rookie contracts.

We are not in as bad of shape as this article makes us look. We have a bigger window than these current elite teams.

mi_keys
Senior Member

11 years ago

#15

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Exactly. And you'd be hard pressed to find anyone than can do much more against a defense that can get pressure quickly with only 3 or 4 guys. Look how pedestrian Brady was against the Giants in those two Super Bowls. If you can get to the quarterback quickly with 3 or 4 pass rushers you are winning as a defense and you're going to at least slow if not stop any offense in the NFL. Period.

This is why we have been clamoring for improvements to the offensive line for years.

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buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#16

Well, I guess ole Bob has changed his tune since he wrote the now "infamous" Packers can win without Aaron Rodgers" story.

Or is it he is just trying to make the fans forget HOW WRONG HE WAS then and next year, with a little luck, The Packers stay farly healthy, he will once again have written a "I'm just a dumbass writer trying to appease the fans" article.

Let's see how long "these elite teams" stay that way when all thier 1st round top 5 draft picks start demanding more money than a team can afford.

Down year, still North Champions, did everything but "win" their playoff game", which is a hell of a lot better than the 2 prior years where they forgot to show up.

Hell, I may be in the minority here, but after a certain point,(15 guys ir'ed), I was impressed with the Heart and Desire of the guys left playing.

Outmanned and playing with a bunch of "Babies" and career "backups", they still managed to make it to The Playoffs, that is all anyone can ask.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO PANIC!!!!!!!

There will be changes this offseason, but IMHO, not as drastic as some may want or think.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: steveishere

He holds it looking to throw deep. I agree, he's a little TOO patient. Favre was the one who would get bored out there. Aaron just needs to get the f'n ball OUT.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#18

He holds it looking to throw deep. I agree, he's a little TOO patient. Favre was the one who would get bored out there. Aaron just needs to get the f'n ball OUT.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

He holds it looking to throw to someone who is open. He doesn't throw deep any more than most other QBs.

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#19

This team is FINE.

The biggest thing keeping this team from the NFCC is INJURIES. This team TALK and TALKS AND TALKS about how they want to keep their guys healthier. Well guess what. The injury situation got even WORSE this year.

Clean that up and we have SICK depth.

Yeah, Morgan Burnett struggled, but he was having to cover up for the mistakes of guys like Bush and the shit suckage of the S's lined up next to him. Once Hyde adds a few pounds and gets with the program, we will have two solid S's that can get it done. With any luck, we'll have some depth too.

We could use depth on the DL and at LB, but we've got guys there who can play.

1: Do whatever it takes to get your guys healthy. What's Hawk doing? Get everyone to sleep in a goddamn hyperbaric chamber if that's AJ's secret.

2: High percentage offense. I've said it before. One major reason we go into these "lulls" all the time is that we lack tempo on offense. Start moving the chains, bitches. Get in a rythmn.

And btw, not having a good backup QB was an aberration for this team. Mike will ALWAYS have a developmental guy in that spot. It just so happened that THREE developmental guys shit themselves this year. Then the "veteran" backup guy punked out too. That is an outlier, and I am confident nothing like it will happen again.

Am I thrilled with Dom? No. But give him some healthy players. That last game went down to the final second, after we lost Shields and Neal on the FIRST DRIVE. Get ANYBODY back and we win that game. Despite Dom.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

#20

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO PANIC!!!!!!!

There will be changes this offseason, but IMHO, not as drastic as some may want or think.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

I doubt anyone is panicking. So you don;t have to worry about that.

I thought there were suppose to be changes made after last season. If they did make changes they were not for the better.

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