musccy
10 years ago

1. I will be seriously pissed if they do not re-sign Shields. To me, this one is not "Is he worth overpaying?" only "How much will they end up overpaying?" Take him away and you immediately create a major hole in the roster. A team today needs three starter-quality cornerbacks, not just two.

2. When it comes to players from other teams, in my opinion they need to repeat the success of 2006. That is, they need to pick up two players of the quality of Pickett and Woodson, or better, and they need to do so before the draft. These two players need to be either DL, OL, ILB, or safety. They don't have to be tier 1A (first 72 hour megadeals), but they have to be tier 1B/2A (March to early/mid April).

3. They have to hit at least two home runs in the draft, also at some of those positions.

4. As far as the rest of their own players, they must also sign: James Jones, Johnny Jolly, Jamari Lattimore, Evan-Dietrich Smith, and probably Andrew Quarless.

How they are going to afford all of the above financially, I don't know. But I believe that if they don't find a way, they simply will not fill enough of the holes in the roster that need to be filled before the 2014 season starts. And rather being a Super Bowl contender at the end of the year, they'll at best be a 4-6 seed team and 1/2 a step below the legitimate SB contenders.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Agreed with most points, but I'd add Flynn to #3. I will likely be in the minority, but I wouldn't mind bringing back Finley at presumably a very discounted 1-year rate.

play2win
10 years ago

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Mike Neal LB 26 3 $630,000
James Starks RB 27 3 $630,000
C.J. Wilson DE 26 3 $630,000
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Jamari Lattimore LB 25 2 $555,000
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As has been posted elsewhere the Packers have a lot of their own to consider, and for some reason Flynn isn't on this list from JSO. The Packers have a lot they need to spend on their own AND draft picks. Texas and others have alluded to crafty ways to make this more manageable, but it's not going to be that easy to sign an Orakpo or Byrd, not to mention the fact that they have to want to come to G.B. I'm sure 10 other teams will want those same FAs.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



There are ONLY 3 players, maybe 4 on the list that I feel MUST be re-signed:
Shields
Quarless
EDS
Starks

This notion of "we have to re-sign all of our own players" thing is exactly what has gotten us in trouble.

I mean, thinking we cannot do better than Mike Neal, Lattimore, Kuhn, Jones.... Really? I like some of these guys just fine, but we should be able to do better. And, we can.
10 years ago

I don't care how they get Shields signed, just get it done, but assuming a player in his last year of a contract is just going to restructure a guaranteed $9.5 million is really taking that Packers people thing a little too far. Unless you guys have some inside information that you want to post, because I would love to read it, then you're just pulling the Tramon stuff from out of your ass.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



That 9.5 mill is guaranteed?
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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

That 9.5 mill is guaranteed?

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



No It is NOT guaranteed.

The Packers would have to take a Cap hit of around 2 to 3mil(don't know the exact number) if they just cut Williams.

Of course they could restructure his contract as has been discussed and have him around for probably about the same amount.
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10 years ago

No It is NOT guaranteed.

The Packers would have to take a Cap hit of around 2 to 3mil(don't know the exact number) if they just cut Williams.

Of course they could restructure his contract as has been discussed and have him around for probably about the same amount.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



I thought so. Tramon could restructure and sign a three-year contract with a 9.5 million signing bonus. That money is guaranteed correct? Which the Packers could spread that out over the three years.
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DakotaT
10 years ago
Like I said, I don't care how Sam Shields is resigned, just get it done. If Tramon restructures, fine - I'm just real skeptical about it. Letting Shields get away would be an epic failure of Uncle Ted.
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Rockmolder
10 years ago
Why is everyone so certain that Orakpo will even hit FA?

Washington's and Dallas' cap penalty ends after this season. They'll have an extra 20-30 million or so to spend. They'd be crazy if they'd just let a player of Orakpo's caliber walk. Franchise tag seems like a very real possibility.
buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

I thought so. Tramon could restructure and sign a three-year contract with a 9.5 million signing bonus. That money is guaranteed correct? Which the Packers could spread that out over the three years.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



They would probably make it an extension and could spread it out over 4 year(the current year +3 new years)

I guess they have to decide if Tramon is worth that money for the next 4 years.

Tramon himself should have no problem with restructuring, he receives ALL the guaranteed money upfront.
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago
So how many of the Packer free agents will the Vikings sign this year?
sschind
10 years ago

They would probably make it an extension and could spread it out over 4 year(the current year +3 new years)

I guess they have to decide if Tramon is worth that money for the next 4 years.

Tramon himself should have no problem with restructuring, he receives ALL the guaranteed money upfront.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



This is what Ted Thompson has generally been very good at. Not letting the guys he really thinks are the key players hit the open market. If he thinks he wants Tramon around for the next 4 or 5 years he will get a restructuring done. If he is willing to part ways after next season he may cut the dude this season and save 7.5 million dollars or he may keep him around and count the whole 9.5 against the cap.

My guess is that if he keeps him around for the full amount this year (which I doubt will happen) he will let him walk next year.

Williams won't have to give up any money at all and he will get any SB in one fell swoop rather than spread out over the entire season. Plus he has the satisfaction of knowing he will be secure for the next 4 or 5 years. That's what he gains by restructuring.
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