Rockmolder
15 years ago
I see alot of people complaining about the interceptions Favre used and is still throwing, often stating that he throws to much compared to his TDs. Also often stating that he takes to much risks for the rewards to compensate....

I know some of these are in different eras, but Brett played through the 90s aswell, keep that in mind.

Brett Favre - 1.50 TD to Int ratio
John Elway - 1.33
Joe Montana - 1.96
Steve Young - 2.17
Troy Aikman - 1.17
Roger Staubach - 1.40

Ok, some of these are maybe a bit of a longshot, but apart from the 49ers two greats, he seems to be doing quite well compared to the players he once played against (Aikman, Elway) who are still seen as some of the greatest ever.

Ofcourse this doesn't have any effect on his play of this season, and I don't want this to change into any kind of Jets, Favre, Keep him etc. topic. Its just that I got a little tired of always hearing how bad Brett was because he threw to many ints.

Especially in clutch moment they like to attack him (NFCCG), but he has made some amazing 4th quarter comebacks which tend to be forgotten quite easily.

Ok, I'm done, walk along people, just venting a bit. 😛
zombieslayer
15 years ago
Well, one thing about life is you have to take risks to get rewards. The trick is finding the right ratio of risk to reward. Some years, Favre nailed it. Some years, he failed it.

Overall, I don't think anyone can argue that if there's one player that keeps you glued to the TV screen, it's Brett Favre.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I find Aaron Rodgers much more watchable, actually. I don't have to cover my eyes, fearing that the worst is about to happen.
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago

Well, one thing about life is you have to take risks to get rewards. The trick is finding the right ratio of risk to reward. Some years, Favre

"zombieslayer" wrote:



[youtube]45mMioJ5szc[/youtube]
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
[youtube]9zSVu76AX3I[/youtube]
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
15 years ago


Brett Favre - 1.50 TD to Int ratio
John Elway - 1.33
Joe Montana - 1.96
Steve Young - 2.17
Troy Aikman - 1.17
Roger Staubach - 1.40

"Rockmolder" wrote:



You can throw out Staubach because he played in a different era, when all QB's threw fewer TD's and more INT's. Aikman played in a throwback-style offense that was based on the running game and downfield passing. There were not all of the short West Coast Offense passes, and when they got into TD range, they usually gave the ball to Emmit Smith.

Elway played about half of his career in an archaic Dan Reeves offense and did not start putting up really impressive stats until Shanahan came along and he finally had good offensive talent around him.

So I take these comparisons with a grain of salt. I still think that Favre is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game, but his Achilles heel for most of his career has been his tendency to throw the untimely interception.
blank
WhiskeySam
15 years ago
The more relevant number to use is Int% (Ints/Attempts). That number tells you the frequency with which they threw interceptions. Taking your same QBs and adding in a few more:
Favre - 3.3
Elway - 3.1
Montana - 2.6
Young - 2.6
Aikman - 3.0
Staubach - 3.7
Marino - 3.0
Unitas - 4.9
Starr - 4.4
Fouts - 4.3
Brady - 2.4
Manning -2.8
Blanda - 6.9

One thing you'll notice is over time the trend has been for the % to decrease. This is largely accounted for by the increasing sophistication of passing schemes (multiple 3+ receiver sets), and systems which emphasize shorter, higher percentage passes. Montana and Young really shine here because they outpace the trend. You'll also note that the next generation of elite QBs has that number under 3%. That number may be reaching a point where it's not going to get much lower. For those interested, Rodgers was at 2.4 this year. A very good number, but not yet in this discussion because it's based on only one year.

The next set of numbers I'll show are the top ten Intercepted QBs with their INT%:

Favre 310(3.3)
Blanda 277(6.9)
Hadl 268(5.7)
Testaverde 267(4.0)
Tarkenton 266(4.1)
Snead 257(5.9)
Unitas 253(4.9)
Marino 252(3.0)
Tittle 248(5.6)
Hart 247(4.9)

It becomes quite apparent that Favre isn't throwing INTs as often as any of the other men in the top ten save Marino, and his percentage is closer to Marino's than it is to the rest. Favre's total is because he has more attempts than anyone else ever. That's due to him not missing games, playing longer than most QBs do, and being asked to pass more than most QBs are. Frankly, the idea Favre is some kind of turnover machine is a myth, and it's not borne out by the data. (Interesting footnote, 5 of the top 10 are in the Hall of Fame, and Favre will likely be the 6th). Since 2000, Favre has been below his career INT% every year except 2003, 2005, and 2008.

Final comparison:
league average for the last 17 years 3.23 INT%
Favre 3.3%
league avg last 17 yrs TD% 3.97
Favre 5.0

Favre has been average at INT% compared to the rest of the league over his career. Where he has excelled has been in throwing TDs more often than the rest of the league.
Nemo me impune lacessit
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Interesting analysis. I would be curious to see you back up your last statement with some statistics. How does Favre's TD-pass percentage stack up against the all-time greats? It might be prudent to examine as well a couple of the current touchdown machines, most notably Peyton Manning.
UserPostedImage
buckeyepackfan
15 years ago

I find Aaron Rodgers much more watchable, actually. I don't have to cover my eyes, fearing that the worst is about to happen.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



:icon_smile: :icon_smile: :icon_smile: :icon_smile: :icon_smile:

How many 6-10 season you gonna go through until you change your attitude?

Thanks, you made me laugh out loud with this post.

When Aaron Rodgers has played 10 or so years in the NFL, then start comparing him to BF, until then, he is just another GB QB with a losing record.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Cheesey
15 years ago

I find Aaron Rodgers much more watchable, actually. I don't have to cover my eyes, fearing that the worst is about to happen.

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:



:icon_smile: :icon_smile: :icon_smile: :icon_smile: :icon_smile:

How many 6-10 season you gonna go through until you change your attitude?

Thanks, you made me laugh out loud with this post.

When Aaron Rodgers has played 10 or so years in the NFL, then start comparing him to Brett Favre, until then, he is just another GB QB with a losing record.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:


Oh, come on.....you blame our record on Rodgers???
He did GREAT this year. The other parts of the team sucked.
28 TD's, 13 INT's in his 1st season.
Favre 22 TD's, 22INT's.
6 more TD's and 9 less INT's for AR.
It amazes me how some look at Favre's numbers, and say how great he still is. His time was in the mid 1990's. He's lost alot since then. Thats just fact. Did you see the game Sunday against Miami? In my view, he's average now at best.
He was GREAT at one time.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (5h) : Getting help would have been nice, but helping ourselves should always be the plan
beast (5h) : Too bad Seahawks couldn't beat Vikings
bboystyle (5h) : We just need to win Monday night and were in
Mucky Tundra (9h) : Or ties, but let's be real here
Mucky Tundra (9h) : Other scenario was Falcons+Rams losses
Mucky Tundra (9h) : Needed a Falcons loss for a Seahawk loss to clinch
buckeyepackfan (9h) : Am I wring in saying if Tge Vikings beat The Seahawks, The Packers clinch?
Mucky Tundra (21-Dec) : Agreed; you stinks
Zero2Cool (21-Dec) : I'm not beating anyone. I stinks.
Mucky Tundra (21-Dec) : rough injury for tank dell. guy can't catch abreak
beast (21-Dec) : So far the college playoffs have sucked... One team absolutely dominates the other
beast (21-Dec) : Well even if you weren't positive towards a guy, you wouldn't nessarily want to tell the media that (if they don't know about it)
Martha Careful (21-Dec) : I think MLF want Love to look past the end half issues, and feel good about his play. Our coaches generally keep a very positive tone.
beast (21-Dec) : I think a great running game will do that for most QBs
packerfanoutwest (21-Dec) : Coach Matt LaFleur has said quarterback Jordan Love is playing the best football of his career.
beast (21-Dec) : Oh, that's how you keep beating buckeye, with cheating
Zero2Cool (20-Dec) : There is a rule that if your name starts with 'b' you lose 15 points. Hey, I don't make the rules, I just enforce them!
wpr (20-Dec) : and then there is Beast. Running away with it all.
beast (20-Dec) : As of tonight, 3 way tie for 2nd in Pick'em, that battle is interesting!
beast (20-Dec) : Lions vs Vikings could be the main last game as it could determine division winners or #1 vs #2 seed
Mucky Tundra (20-Dec) : Or if KC needs to win for the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (20-Dec) : Right now it looks like the only prime worthy games are Det-Minny and KC-Denver (if Denver can clinch a wild card spot)
Mucky Tundra (20-Dec) : The entirety of week 18 being listed as flex is weird
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : Matt LaFleur today says unequivocally "Ted Thompson had nothing to do with the drafting of Jordan Love."
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : Apparently, the editing is what pieces comments together. That Ted thing ... fake news.
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : LaFleur "opportunity that Ted Thompson thought was too good to pass up"
Zero2Cool (19-Dec) : Jordan Love pick was Ted Thompson's idea.
Mucky Tundra (19-Dec) : Kyle Shanahan on signing De'Vondre Campbell as a FA last offseason: “We obviously made a mistake.”
packerfanoutwest (19-Dec) : Alexander’s last season with GB
Martha Careful (18-Dec) : if I were a professional athlete, I would probably look to see who the agent is for Kirk Cousins and then use him
beast (18-Dec) : $100 million fully guaranteed Kirk Cousins gets benched for rookie
Mucky Tundra (18-Dec) : a lower case b
Mucky Tundra (18-Dec) : The real lie is how beast capitalized his name in his message while it's normally spelled with
packerfanoutwest (18-Dec) : haha that's a lie
beast (17-Dec) : Despite what lies other might tell, Beast didn't hate the Winter Warnings, it felt refreshing to Beast for some reason.
Zero2Cool (17-Dec) : whiteout uniforms in general are pretty lame and weak. NFL greed at it's worst
Martha Careful (17-Dec) : The Viking uniforms, the whiteout uniforms specifically absolutely suck
beast (17-Dec) : Thanks Zero2Cool, looks a lot better now
beast (17-Dec) : Seems like someone has a crush on me, can't stop talking about me
Zero2Cool (17-Dec) : Should be gooder now. The forum default theme went to goofy land.
Zero2Cool (17-Dec) : What the hell
packerfanoutwest (17-Dec) : yeah beast hates the Winter Warning Unies
Mucky Tundra (16-Dec) : Okay I'm glad to know it's not just something happening to me lol
Mucky Tundra (16-Dec) : Zero, did you copy the Packers uniforms from last night and white out the board?
beast (16-Dec) : Oh crap, is the board going to the Winter Warning Uniforms too?!? It's all white on white right now!
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : WR Odell Beckham Jr is officially a free agent after clearing waivers.
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : Packers are 6th in sacks.
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : RB David Montgomery will undergo season-ending knee surgery.
Mucky Tundra (16-Dec) : Dan Campbell on onside kick with 12 minutes left: In hindsight, wish I didn’t do that
Zero2Cool (16-Dec) : They have that whole 12th man thing so ...
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

22-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

19-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

19-Dec / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

18-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

17-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

17-Dec / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

16-Dec / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Mucky Tundra

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.