I agree. Would love to see Starks get more carries, along with Lacy. That will help us win the important games we have ahead. More run will keep opposing offenses off the field, chew up clock, maintain possession, and increase the effectiveness of our passing game. I huge dose of the 1-2 Lacy-Starks punch in the face. I hope to see it all the way to another Lombardi Trophy, should we be fortunate enough to make it into the playoffs. I'm hoping...

Originally Posted by: play2win 

As one of Ted Thompson's biggest detractors, I will say, good job Ted on this one, BUT, I remind the Ted Thompson lovers this: the Lacy pick was very much out of character with what he usually goes with. Lacy was a proven player - a big time performer in college. Usually - and unfortunately, Thompson seems to prefer "projects" instead of players like Lacy. Drafting more established college players instead of projects is one thing I really wish Thompson would do - assuming I won't get my real wish - a different GM for the Packers.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Who are all the projects that weren't established college players?

Casey Hayward - 2 time all-sec, 7 INT as a senior (3rd in the Nation)
Jerel Worthy - 3 year starter in B10, Consesus 1st team all-american his final year

Randall Cobb - 33 starts in the SEC, 1st team all-american and 1st team all-SEC and finalist for the Paul Hornung award his final year

Mike Neal - 46 games (23 starts) in the B10, HM All-B10 as a senior. Finished 2nd on his team in sacks and 3rd in TFL his Senior season.

Jordy Nelson - Consensus all-american & 1st team all-big 12 after a 1606 yard senior season which was 2nd in the nation
Brian Brohm - CUSA Freshman of the year, 2006 Heisman candidate, 2007 Orange Bowl MVP
Pat Lee - 22 starts in the SEC and 2nd team all-SEC as a senior.

These are just the recent 2nd round picks like Lacy but there's enough here to see your are pretty much full of shit once again.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

Far be it from me to support TX in a post. I don't remember all the #2s but Jordy was a "little" bit of a gamble in the 2nd round. As was Neal and Brohm. At least according to the so called experts. Jordy could maybe sorta go in the second but most thought he was a 3rd or 4th round. Neal 3rd-5th. Brohm I really don't remember. Nor Lee

Originally Posted by: wpr 

He said established college players not where Mel Kiper expected them to go in the draft. Jordy was considered a top WR and Brohm a top QB anyways. The fake experts thought Neal was a big reach and a 5th ish rounder but we know that at least 1 other actual team (Cowboys) had him as a 3rd rounder which shows you how much those experts know and why it's silly to absolutely trust their draft rankings and use them to call players a reach. None of that is really what Texas was asking anyways he didn't say reaches he said established college players who were big time performers.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

How many rookies come directly out of college and bust onto the scene as perennial all-pro year after year?


BTW, as I said in the thread linked, (not all of my comments were venom) I had started swaying my opinion of Lacy after the scrimmage. And I also drafted him in the fantasy league in the 4th round (54th overall). I took him higher than Ted Thompson, does that mean I'm more smarters??

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

ok. As usual I didn't read TX post. I did/do read yours.

I don't pay any attention to Kiper. I was thrilled when NFL channel came along. The only stock I place on the "experts" is to use their opinion as a guideline. For example this year Tretter was taken a couple of rounds higher than projected. That made me wonder what did GB see in him. I naturally assumed the lower round projection was based on him playing OT. I suspected Uncle Ted had other plans for him such as C. So the draft projection does serve some good if used correctly and not thinking the people sitting behind the desk know more than the guys who have the stop watch and clip boards.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

The thing I realized is the guys behind the desk only know what the teams let them know. In the months before the draft teams more or less have their draft boards set and all of these "risers and fallers" in the draft boards are just the suits catching up on the information that teams already have and what teams already think of those guys. And yeah they don't have their draft rankings set for special circumstances for example they'd rate Mike Neal as a DT and not necessarily specifically for a 3-4 defense. I follow a lot of the draft stuff so I'm certainly not saying those experts/rankings are completely useless I just don't get all the venom that comes from fans when a certain player isn't worth his draft position according to those guys.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

As one of Ted Thompson's biggest detractors, I will say, good job Ted on this one, BUT, I remind the Ted Thompson lovers this: the Lacy pick was very much out of character with what he usually goes with. Lacy was a proven player - a big time performer in college. Usually - and unfortunately, Thompson seems to prefer "projects" instead of players like Lacy. Drafting more established college players instead of projects is one thing I really wish Thompson would do - assuming I won't get my real wish - a different GM for the Packers.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker