nerdmann
11 years ago
I liked Pat Devlin. Dude was in Philbin's offense in Miami.

But Wallace is a career backup for Holmgren's version of the WCO. He's maybe the one guy with the experience and knowledge who could assimilate the Mike McCarthy Run and Shoot and be ready to play. That's what he does. He's like Jeff Garcia, a WCO specialist.

Plus, he's been in the Niners camp all summer. And he's been practicing against them, all summer.

Maybe after we play the Niners, we'll ditch him for Pat Devlin. lol
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play2win
11 years ago
Gaining his SF knowledge won't hurt game 1.
Bigbyfan
11 years ago
If the backup QB spot is the position that the Packers are most concerned about, we must be in very good shape....
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Cheesey
11 years ago
Besides, fact is, if Aaron Rodgers goes down the season
is over anyway.
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Dulak
11 years ago
I just have to ask this ...

but are all you guys drunk asking to bring back farve? ... wasn't he the guy that everyone hated because favre was just filled with so much hate for everything packers?

and we want to bring him back to backup Rodgers? ... Ya sure ... and pigs can fly.

macbob
11 years ago

They couldn't bring him in any earlier as he was under contract with the 49ers.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



49ers didn't sign him until during training camp. Packers could have signed him anytime up to Aug.

The OTAs and training camp is when your backups get their reps. Wallace missed both. Aaron Rodgers will get the vast majority of reps from here on out and it's going to be tough for Seneca to get comfortable with the Packer's plays/terminology, etc.

macbob
11 years ago

So would I, heck I'd prefer to have Drew Brees as our backup but he is not available and neither is Flynn. At least not yet. Of course if you want Ted Thompson to give up the farm in a trade for a backup QB I suppose he would be more than happy to do that for you.

I would be willing to bet that Ted Thompson has been in contact with the Raiders regarding a possible trade for Flynn but its a two way street. You can't trade for a guy if the other team doesn't want to trade or if they want too much. Heck, I'm reasonably certain he has inquired to other team as well.

Am I happy with Wallace as our Backup? well, I'm not ecstatic about it but when you look at the other options available he is about as good as the come. Like I said, I'd be happier with Flynn but I am happier with Wallace than I would be with Young, Coleman or Harrell.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Other than the flippant Drew Brees comment/paragraph I agree with your post 100%.

I'm sure Ted's talked to the Raiders (and other teams), scoured the available free agents, etc.

I'm also happier with Wallace than Young, Coleman, or Harrell. The timing--after OTAs & training camp--put Seneca in a position to fail if he has to come in to replace Aaron Rodgers during a game, no matter how good he is. He's unfamiliar with the terminology, etc and his chances to get reps just passed during training camp, family night, and the four preseason games.

edit: my comment on Flynn was in response to earlier posts that said the backup didn't matter, we were toast without AR. I was agreeing with posts that we weren't toast, we had a good team around Rodgers, and I felt comfortable with Flynn. I suspect you read this post outside of the context I meant, and you were probably relating to some of my earlier posts that were a little tongue-in-cheek... :-"
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

Besides, fact is, if Aaron Rodgers goes down the season
is over anyway.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



First of all, I am NOT happier with Wallace as backup than Young or Coleman, probably not even Harrell.

The larger point, though, is like Cheesey says. And WHY is that? I think the elephant in the room here is that our great GM - who has produced a team that won a Super Bowl and has had such a great record the past few years - derives his greatness from one absolutely magnificent decision - taking advantage of the dumb luck of Aaron Rodgers falling to him at #21 of the first round. I love the Packers, the whole team, not just Aaron Rodgers, but I would suggest that performance the past few seasons show a severe level of mediocrity everywhere except Aaron Rodgers.

The O Line gives up way too many sacks and hurries, and hasn't been able to run block worth crap. And as bad as the first string has been, when the second team gets in there, it smacks of pathetic. Other teams simply aren't that bad, even teams with mediocre records.

The running backs until this season have been generally awful, despite having defenses loading up to stop Rodgers. Hopefully Lacy will change that, but with this line, I am not extremely confident.

The pass receivers have a reputation of being excellent, but who wouldn't with Aaron Rodgers throwing it to them? There too, I look at what other teams have, and ours look pretty average. What if Rodgers got to throw to what Romo gets to throw to? Or Dalton? Or several others. And how would our star receivers do with an average QB throwing to them?

And defense? I hope it's better - it couldn't be much worse than it has been the past couple of years. There's talk about new toughness and generating turnovers; I hope, but what I see without the rose-colored glasses is that anybody can run on us, and double team Clay Matthews, and there is basically no pass rush at all.

Arguably, we have had way more than our share of bad luck with injuries, and for sure, we have done well on the low end of the draft and UDFAs, but cover up the name Aaron Rodgers, and just what kind of a roster has Ted Thompson put together? Pretty damn mediocre if you ask me.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

First of all, I am NOT happier with Wallace as backup than Young or Coleman, probably not even Harrell.

The larger point, though, is like Cheesey says. And WHY is that? I think the elephant in the room here is that our great GM - who has produced a team that won a Super Bowl and has had such a great record the past few years - derives his greatness from one absolutely magnificent decision - taking advantage of the dumb luck of Aaron Rodgers falling to him at #21 of the first round. I love the Packers, the whole team, not just Aaron Rodgers, but I would suggest that performance the past few seasons show a severe level of mediocrity everywhere except Aaron Rodgers.

The O Line gives up way too many sacks and hurries, and hasn't been able to run block worth crap. And as bad as the first string has been, when the second team gets in there, it smacks of pathetic. Other teams simply aren't that bad, even teams with mediocre records.

The running backs until this season have been generally awful, despite having defenses loading up to stop Rodgers. Hopefully Lacy will change that, but with this line, I am not extremely confident.

The pass receivers have a reputation of being excellent, but who wouldn't with Aaron Rodgers throwing it to them? There too, I look at what other teams have, and ours look pretty average. What if Rodgers got to throw to what Romo gets to throw to? Or Dalton? Or several others. And how would our star receivers do with an average QB throwing to them?

And defense? I hope it's better - it couldn't be much worse than it has been the past couple of years. There's talk about new toughness and generating turnovers; I hope, but what I see without the rose-colored glasses is that anybody can run on us, and double team Clay Matthews, and there is basically no pass rush at all.

Arguably, we have had way more than our share of bad luck with injuries, and for sure, we have done well on the low end of the draft and UDFAs, but cover up the name Aaron Rodgers, and just what kind of a roster has Ted Thompson put together? Pretty damn mediocre if you ask me.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Aaron Rodgers would have never developed to close to what he was if Ted didn't hire Mike to develop him. As for sacks, tell Aaron to get the ball out in under 8 seconds.

It's like the man said the other day. We had jack shit for OL when we won our last TWO Superbowls.
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sschind
11 years ago

Other than the flippant Drew Brees comment/paragraph I agree with your post 100%.

I'm sure Ted's talked to the Raiders (and other teams), scoured the available free agents, etc.

I'm also happier with Wallace than Young, Coleman, or Harrell. The timing--after OTAs & training camp--put Seneca in a position to fail if he has to come in to replace Aaron Rodgers during a game, no matter how good he is. He's unfamiliar with the terminology, etc and his chances to get reps just passed during training camp, family night, and the four preseason games.

edit: my comment on Flynn was in response to earlier posts that said the backup didn't matter, we were toast without AR. I was agreeing with posts that we weren't toast, we had a good team around Rodgers, and I felt comfortable with Flynn. I suspect you read this post outside of the context I meant, and you were probably relating to some of my earlier posts that were a little tongue-in-cheek... :-"

Originally Posted by: macbob 



Fair enough, the Brees comment was intended to illicit the exact response it got. I apologize for that.

The bottom line is that in my opinion there are perhaps 25 QBs in the NFL that I would be OK with as my starter. Maybe not happy with mind you but OK with (that allows for improvement a la Tannehill for example). That means that a team that has a starter caliber backup has a huge advantage. They just aren't out there. There are two ways to get that great backup. The obvious way is to sign a proven veteran who has fallen on hard times. The Packers tried that with Young and are trying it again with Wallace (although the proven part is open for debate) The other way is to try to develop a young guy. We tried that with Harrell and Coleman and that didn't work out either.

Regardless. You can't say Ted Thompson has not been trying. I would love for Ted Thompson to pull off a trade for Flynn. Pryor is the man in Oakland now and probably should be and they have the rookie Mcwhatever to fall back on but something tells me the Raiders are not all that anxious to give up Flynn in a trade. He is the most proven QB they have.

Other posts and other threads have said it and I agree, if Rodgers is lost for the season the Packers probably are as well. Unfortunately I don't see any options available that would change that so IMO you go with someone who can step in and manage a game or two. If your team can't rally around that and pull off a win or two then yes your team is your QB, but I think the Packers are better than that. I don't think the Packer only chance at winning a game is Aaron Rodgers.

Macbob, I've stayed up late do draft a FF team and I've had a few beers. Not all of my comments are necessarily directed at you. we seem to agree more than we disagree and this post is simply a clarification of my position. It is not meant as an attack on your position.

I'm going to bed now.
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