I'm thinking you guys could buy a $3 ticket and winning $350 million dollars and instead of enjoying the $190 million, you'd spend your remaining days bitching and complaining about the taxes paid.

And .... nothing wrong with that ... just not how I choose to roll.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Actually, I'm satisfied if you say they are both evil - just in different ways. Putting people down for reason of greed and jealousy is evil. However, the GREATER EVIL IMO, is trying to tear down America as we know it, screwing up the great life we all have.

Your example above is flawed. The Republicans - in your own words - GIVE those "rubes" what the rubes sincerely want in order to get their votes on issues keeping money in the pockets of those greedy bastards - did I state your opinion correctly? The Dem/libs employ shills - black preachers or whatever - what I call the "overseers" on the liberal plantation to capture black people's votes; Then they do NOT give them what they want; They diametrically oppose the good normal moral positions of most black people against abortion, against the gay agenda, for a strong military, against loose enforcement of illegal immigration.

You don't see a difference? The Republicans may bribe and give what those rube voters want, but the Dem/libs steal the votes, then "in your face" to the voters electing them.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

They are both evil because both are deceiving middle class voters. But somehow you can differentiate the Democrats as more evil. Minorities won't vote Republican because the Republicans refuse to give up on their assault on social programs. It's pretty clear that the Republicans are in a catch 22, which is amusing to me.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

What is apparent throughout this increasingly unreadable thread is that there aren't as many historians commenting as advocates. By that I mean the number of times people are making factual statements clearly colored by their political beliefs, not based on actual facts or even hypothetical suppositions with a basis in reality.

The shame of it is that for both the major political parties, their cynical clinging to their usual way of doing business has made it impossible for either one to satisfactorily make the country better for anyone, and the partisan bickering and heel-digging that has paralyzed the last few congresses has destroyed any hope of a better solution based on compromise.

Realistically, both parties have fallen short on issues related to minorities since they were at the top of the policy heap 150 years ago because both parties have, by nature of their being political parties, tried to think of short term success for the party not long term success for the country.

I would suggest that most of you give up on trying to make your arguments because your obvious partisan biases render you incapable of rational and realistic definition of the problem or solutions to it. The best thing any of you could do is read a lot more and do so without assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is biased toward the other side.

Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 

I don't think one person or institutions (media, education, or entertainment) has that much influence over the American electorate.

I think Obama's election to the presidency was similar to Ronald Reagan‘s election to the presidency. First, Obama was a better politician than his opponents were. As much as people loathe politicians, they sure seem to vote for the better one each time. The other reason is it was a reaction to the previous presidency. People judged Jimmy Carter as a disappointment and gave the car keys to Reagan. They did the same from Bush to Obama. I believe the voters that don’t pay attention tend to vote with that methodology.

Now the reason Mitt Romney isn’t President today is the Republican Party has yet to fully recover from this era. In addition, their social politics -- like the southern strategy -- has gone from a great strength to a major weakness. So while the Republicans positions on taxes, spending, and regulation, may very well appeal to most voters, it’s their other policies that don't as much. The voters simply weigh the level of importance, and I think now more than ever, younger voters are particularly more willing to vote on social and scientific issues than pocketbook issues.

On the other hand, perhaps it's as simple as Jesse Jackson and Modern Family. [cheers]

Originally Posted by: porky88 

Ow! :)

Originally Posted by: Wade 

Think about what you just said - Obama got elected over Romney because of residual effects from Bush. I don't really know your politics, but can you HONESTLY say there was anything truly bad about George W. Bush? Or was it maybe that most sinister of all villains in our society today, the God damned leftist mainstream media that convinced a gullible public that there was something negative about Bush?

Obama was a better politician? Yeah, in the sense that politicians by nature are lying sacks of shit, and Obama is one of the damnedest lying sacks of shit that has come a long in a long time. I will, however, concede, the bar is set about as low as it can go in terms of politicians when the opponents are McCain and Romney. They were, however, at least honorable Americans - as opposed to piece of shit Obama who isn't even a little bit honorable and may not even be American.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

The deceit is all onesided, Dakota. You said yourself, the Republicans give the "rubes" what they want for their votes. WHERE do you see deceit there? The Dem/libs grab the votes, then go directly against the beliefs/values/wishes of those who voted for them. THAT is deceit.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

There was plenty wrong with Bush.. The problem isn't if there was anything wrong with him, but the MSM's idealized DECEPTION of his 'wrong-doings'. If Bush passed all the legislation that Obama has, he would be on impeachment trial right now. And only because of the MSM bias.

Originally Posted by: Formo 

The deceit lies in that they don't represent the middle class, just take their votes. The Republican's top priority is to cut taxes for the wealthy.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT