all_about_da_packers
12 years ago

I agree with everything you say.

Now go back and watch the 49ers games from last year, and see how they ran right over us. Adrian Peterson too, although he generally didn't take it straight up the gut.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I have to say nerdmann, I don't agree with you at all that the answer to our problems against Kapernick / All-Day are better (i.e. bigger) "true" 3-4 DEs.

Reviewing the games where our run-D was atrocious, in my opinion, our players simply lacked discipline. Either they could not fill the gaps because they got pushed back by the other team's players, or they simply over-pursued and create a big running lane. Add to that the missed tackles, and you have some horrible run D.

I'm not sure how a true 3-4 DE fixes that. Our problems with gap integrity are so bad that even JJ Watt type DE would not be of much use. Granted, it is massively worrying that our gap discipline is SO bad - hell, our best player on D, Claymaker, is probably the worst culprit in terms of gap integrity. But that, if anything, suggests getting stouter/stronger OLBs whose strong suit may not be rushing the passer. Wilson / Raji / Pickett do a fine enough job of taking on o-linemen. Certainly they did a fine enough job against Peterson in the playoffs.

One thing I will say, we absolutely need a NT out of this draft. Raji has played way too many snaps the past few years, and it is obvious that the Packers do not think Pickett should be playing extended time at NT. I'm looking forward to this and possibly OT being the two areas to be addressed today. But I still am not sure a true 3-4 DE is a primary need given that (as said by a few posters here) we play 60-70% of the game in our sub-packages. It is, after all, a passing league.
The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.
Rockmolder
12 years ago

I have to say nerdmann, I don't agree with you at all that the answer to our problems against Kapernick / All-Day are better (i.e. bigger) "true" 3-4 DEs.

Reviewing the games where our run-D was atrocious, in my opinion, our players simply lacked discipline. Either they could not fill the gaps because they got pushed back by the other team's players, or they simply over-pursued and create a big running lane. Add to that the missed tackles, and you have some horrible run D.

I'm not sure how a true 3-4 DE fixes that. Our problems with gap integrity are so bad that even JJ Watt type DE would not be of much use. Granted, it is massively worrying that our gap discipline is SO bad - hell, our best player on D, Claymaker, is probably the worst culprit in terms of gap integrity. But that, if anything, suggests getting stouter/stronger OLBs whose strong suit may not be rushing the passer. Wilson / Raji / Pickett do a fine enough job of taking on o-linemen. Certainly they did a fine enough job against Peterson in the playoffs.

One thing I will say, we absolutely need a NT out of this draft. Raji has played way too many snaps the past few years, and it is obvious that the Packers do not think Pickett should be playing extended time at NT. I'm looking forward to this and possibly OT being the two areas to be addressed today. But I still am not sure a true 3-4 DE is a primary need given that (as said by a few posters here) we play 60-70% of the game in our sub-packages. It is, after all, a passing league.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



The worst, by far, that game was Erik Walden, though. Gladly we won't have to suffer through that again. Next to that, our d-linemen couldn't push the pocket in combination with some bad outside containment. That gave Colin just about every option to run, step up and do just about anything he wanted.

As to Datone... The more I see of this kid, the more I like him. He has a great burst to him and some amazing speed for a guy his size. A bit better even than the 4.8 he posted at 283 at the Combine. Can get to the passer, but plays the run, as well.

The only thing that does worry me is that, if he's to go up to a guy like Iutapi, I think he'll get pushed around quite badly. I just don't see him holding his ground against one of the bigger O-linemen in the league.

Gaycandybacon
12 years ago
I had this guy going to us from the start. Datone Jones will start day one. Put him next to Neal and Raji and you got a solid line. I'm thinking Wilson and Pickett will be fighting for jobs. I don't think Jolly will make the team.

Players I'm looking for in the 2nd round:

Arthur Brown LB Kansas State 6'1'' 241 Pounds- Since the releasing of D.J Smith and A.J Hawk maybe in his last year(s) on this team, this man will add speed to our team and can help us out in coverage. He was also the Big 12 Defensive player of the year.

D.J. Swearinger S South Carolina 5'11'' 208 Pounds- With Eric Reid and Matt Elam long gone, this guy is the best Saftey imo. This guy has the nose for the ball and he's tough as fuck. Take him now and don't look back if no one else excites you. We have no safteys, no offense to Mcmillian and Jennings but they're not gonna cut it. Since Woody left we've a glaring need and imo is our biggest need in the draft.

Zach Ertz TE Stanford 6'5'' 249 pounds- Give Arod as many weapons as you can.. If he's the best on the board take him. Finley will benefit from this not only in 2 TE formations but a push from another TE trying to get play time.

Mucky Tundra
12 years ago




3:20

7:35

11:55

15:32

19:45

39:05

Top comment in the video provided the times
Under Construction!
Yerko
12 years ago

Jones should set Datone on Long. All day.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I see what you did there
UserPostedImage
Yerko
12 years ago


3:20

7:35

11:55

15:32

19:45

39:05

Top comment in the video provided the times

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



At 7:35 he gets owned by the guy I'd like the Packers to draft at RT in the mid-rounds.....Quessenberry.
Burns Pugh at 15:32...Pugh is a pretty good offensive lineman. Seems like Datone gets a lot of guys to initially try to lunge forward due to his speed.
Gets killed by Fischer at 19:45, but kept pushing through the block.

Datone Jones looks like he has worked a lot on his hand movements compared to videos I have seen of him playing at UCLA.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
12 years ago

I check the site pretty much everyday and I don't recall that at all. I am assuming by "they" you are talking about people on the site here, because why else would you bring it up here?

The Packers draft for their scheme, which happens to be 3 - 4. This Datone Jones guy fills the DEFENSIVE END position in the 3 - 4. I doubt you'll see him in the DEFENSIVE TACKLE (as you said) position as much.

I hope you can bump some threads where people are bitching about getting 4 - 3 players instead of 3 - 4. Nick Perry was a 4 - 3 DE and they drafted him with the intent on making him a 3 - 4 OLB. That is drafting for 3 - 4. They had a plan.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Call it whatever you want. But we play a 5-2 more than a 3-4, so that will require him to line up inside.

I think he's a good player, I was just taken aback at the selection, particularly when there were so many other cream players on the board. It's all good though. Guess they got the guy they wanted.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Call it whatever you want. But we play a 5-2 more than a 3-4, so that will require him to line up inside.

I think he's a good player, I was just taken aback at the selection, particularly when there were so many other cream players on the board. It's all good though. Guess they got the guy they wanted.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You certainly correct that the Packers play with 2 DL more than 3 DL. Maybe that changes? Maybe rotate B.J. Raji, Mike Neal and Datone Jones as the 2 DL?
UserPostedImage
play2win
12 years ago
I wonder what happens with our "Psycho" package with one down lineman?
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
12 years ago

I wonder what happens with our "Psycho" package with one down lineman?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



It was a novelty set. It worked a couple of times because the linemen didn't know what to do. When they tried it the following year it failed miserably as everyone had an idea of who to block.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series
Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.
Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame
dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp
dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night
dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60
dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : one year $4m with incentives to make it up to $6m
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Or Lions
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Beats the hell out of a Vikings signing
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : Baltimore Ravens now have signed former Packers CB Jaire Alexander.
dfosterf (14-Jun) : TWO magnificent strikes for touchdowns. Lose the pennstate semigeezer non nfl backup
dfosterf (14-Jun) : There was minicamp Thursday. My man Taylor Engersma threw
dfosterf (11-Jun) : There will be a mini camp practice Thursday.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
10-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-Jul / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

6-Jul / Random Babble / Martha Careful

4-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Jun / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

23-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Jun / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

16-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.