PackerTraxx
11 years ago
Considering the circumstances, draft position, injuries, salary cap, and aging I believe Ted Thompson has done an outstanding job of keeping the Packers strong. We'll need a couple of breaks to win another SB because some teams have passed us. Teams such as SF, Atlanta and so forth. But if they have the same things happen to them as we have had since the SB win things will change quickly for them also.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

Considering the circumstances, draft position, injuries, salary cap, and aging I believe Ted Thompson has done an outstanding job of keeping the Packers strong. We'll need a couple of breaks to win another SB because some teams have passed us. Teams such as SF, Atlanta and so forth. But if they have the same things happen to them as we have had since the SB win things will change quickly for them also.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



I don't get what's so great about Atlanta.

EDIT: What's great about the Niners is that they adhere to fundamentals, unlike what we do.
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DoddPower
11 years ago

I don't get what's so great about Atlanta.

EDIT: What's great about the Niners is that they adhere to fundamentals, unlike what we do.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Me either. Atlanta is good, but I still like the Packers chances to beat them any day, especially in the playoffs. Steven Jackson was a nice add for them, but the Packers can definitely still compete and beat them. The packers will be a completely different team if just a few players step up, such as Nick Perry and Sherrord. And then there are others like Hayward, McMillan, Neal, Jolly, Barclay, D. Harris, the list goes on. That's not even considering the draft or any cheap but decent free agents that are still out there. I'm not as worried as some are here. The Packers will be contenders.
DarkaneRules
11 years ago
I want a toughness injection. I don't like the finesse stigma. I don't know if this will come out right but I think it is time to draft an "asshole" or two. Some guys who may not be the picture of mr. nice guy but will knock the crap out of you out there. That is my two cents at the moment.
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11 years ago

Well, I meant "of late."

I do believe we all were hoping for a solid run of SBs after our win in the 2010 season. We needed some players on our D to help us get there, especially front 7, and it didn't happen. Did it?

Have we improved since winning SB XLV? Or, have we digressed?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I don't think anyone saw the defense declining the way it did from 2010 to 2011.
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play2win
11 years ago

I don't think anyone saw the defense declining the way it did from 2010 to 2011.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



After losing Cullen Jenkins to Free Agency? And then, Mike Neal to a knee injury before the season even started?
11 years ago

After losing Cullen Jenkins to Free Agency? And then, Mike Neal to a knee injury before the season even started?

Originally Posted by: play2win 


You don't expect to go from one of the best defenses in the league to one of the worsts by losing Cullen Jenkins

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play2win
11 years ago
I did. I was SUPER concerned, before he even left, before the SB, when there was chatter about his impending FA and not getting a deal. To me, he was one of those guys a team could not lose.

We might have been just fine, had Neal not gotten hurt too.
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

Well, I meant "of late."

I do believe we all were hoping for a solid run of SBs after our win in the 2010 season. We needed some players on our D to help us get there, especially front 7, and it didn't happen. Did it?

Have we improved since winning SB XLV? Or, have we digressed?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Digressed huh? hahahaha. I would suggest we haven't even REgressed. An inspired finish by a team not expected to go to/win the Super Bowl, followed by 15-1, followed by an injury-plagued 11-5 with a playoff loss to a 49er team playing out of their minds who then proceded come back down to earth against Atlanta and Baltimore.

I hate defending Ted Thompson. I got fried in the other forum for suggesting he was not quite a "great GM". Most of the original post of this thread is valid. Yet we still have a great team, possibly the best in the league. If Sherrod and Perry and Bishop come back and play as they were expected to play, then things will be fine. Thompson in fact has upgraded RB, WR, CB, and arguably OT and OLB if Sherrod and Perry do the job. Safety also we may already have the pieces in place. Center also, the jury is still out, but EDS may well be a long term solution. That basically leaves the D Line, and hopefully that is addressed in the first round this year.


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play2win
11 years ago

Digressed huh? hahahaha. I would suggest we haven't even REgressed. An inspired finish by a team not expected to go to/win the Super Bowl, followed by 15-1, followed by an injury-plagued 11-5 with a playoff loss to a 49er team playing out of their minds who then proceded come back down to earth against Atlanta and Baltimore.

I hate defending Ted Thompson. I got fried in the other forum for suggesting he was not quite a "great GM". Most of the original post of this thread is valid. Yet we still have a great team, possibly the best in the league. If Sherrod and Perry and Bishop come back and play as they were expected to play, then things will be fine. Thompson in fact has upgraded RB, WR, CB, and arguably OT and OLB if Sherrod and Perry do the job. Safety also we may already have the pieces in place. Center also, the jury is still out, but EDS may well be a long term solution. That basically leaves the D Line, and hopefully that is addressed in the first round this year.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Regressed. Yes. And we did. If you couldn't see that amidst our 15-1 run ending in a loss at home in the playoffs to the NYG, breaking records, NFL records for all-time defensive futility in 2011, well...

Lets add into the equation other defenses took most of that season to figure our offense out, and our own staff failed to adjust since. I'd say this team has regressed overall. Our defense improved greatly in 2012, in some respects, and got worse in others. Sacks & INTs improved, as did a drop in explosive plays via the pass. But, our run D set NFL records for futility.

Regardless, I agree with you that we are not too far away from being a good team again. It's weird. We are in a spot with some big unknowns that could factor in to our benefit, if some of these players return healthy. Perry, Bishop, House, Williams, Bulaga, Benson. I don't hold out much hope for DJ Smith, Worthy or Sherrod. But Quarless could help, Jordy could stand a fully healthy year.

Get some players back healthy, add 3 or 4 who really contribute via the draft, and we can compete. I would add, change the toughness mindset with some better coaching and play calling, and we could be back in this thing.

I appreciate your take and I agree with you quite a bit.
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