Rios39
11 years ago

Why would you trust someone who has fielded some embarrassing defenses (record setting, even) multiple times against elite teams and/or in critical moments. Capers defense dominates bottom tier teams, but really struggles against the top teams. Obviously that would be expected to some extent, but they have to be better in the playoffs. He could use more talent and health, sure, but they still have to do a better job in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Our issue is talent. We need a better front 7, enough said. We've come a ways since 2011 but defenses look at their front 7 and say "Ok Clay, Raji don't let them beat you." and the rest is meh. Get an impact MLB in there to go with Bishop and I'm sure Perry is going to develope fine. But please people, enough with this idiotic 4-3 business lol
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PackerTraxx
11 years ago
I'd like to see Capers return and add a couple of big DEs like Gohlsten and Hunt.
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doddpower
11 years ago

Our issue is talent. We need a better front 7, enough said. We've come a ways since 2011 but defenses look at their front 7 and say "Ok Clay, Raji don't let them beat you." and the rest is meh. Get an impact MLB in there to go with Bishop and I'm sure Perry is going to develope fine. But please people, enough with this idiotic 4-3 business lol

Originally Posted by: Rios39 



I agree that Nick Perry has the potential to change the entire face of the Packers defense. The guy was one heck of a pass rusher in college, and is a freak athlete. If he can become a feared pass rusher in the NFL, the Packers entire defense will be a lot more effective.
buckeyepackfan
11 years ago

Our issue is talent. We need a better front 7, enough said. We've come a ways since 2011 but defenses look at their front 7 and say "Ok Clay, Raji don't let them beat you." and the rest is meh. Get an impact MLB in there to go with Bishop and I'm sure Perry is going to develope fine. But please people, enough with this idiotic 4-3 business lol

Originally Posted by: Rios39 



Agree Rios, but do you see the flaw in your statement?

To develope and to strenghten the D both Bishop and Perry need to be on the filed, not rehabbing from an injury.

I haven't heard much about Bishops rehab, but tearing the muscle completely from the bone is a pretty bad injury, hopefully he comes back 100%, but there has to be doubt, even in his mind.


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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

Our issue is talent. We need a better front 7, enough said. We've come a ways since 2011 but defenses look at their front 7 and say "Ok Clay, Raji don't let them beat you." and the rest is meh. Get an impact MLB in there to go with Bishop and I'm sure Perry is going to develope fine. But please people, enough with this idiotic 4-3 business lol

Originally Posted by: Rios39 



And impact MLB to go with Bishop would be 1 impact MLB. Bishop is not one. We would be better off, keepign Brad Jones at the position. He is bigger, taller, faster, younger and now has less questions on health. Jones and Smith combined for the season matched Bishops production. At this time, I don't see an Impact MLB to be had in either the draft or FA. I think we would be best off, keeping Hawk(restructure) and keeping Jones. While Hawk isn't what some would like, he is the best against the run, taking on lead blockers, and sacrificing himself on blitzes to free others. He should be on the field when there is a run threat.
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RaiderPride
11 years ago

Nobody's getting fired, The last 4 yrs The Packers have gone 46-17(should be 47-16) in the regular season, 5-3 in the post season, with a Super Bowl vitory.

Do you realize most teams run on 5 year plans, hoping to build a championship team, only to have to blow it all up because of the salary cap.

The Packers have had an amazing run since 1992, having only 2 losing season, those being the year Ted took over and blew up the roster to get back in line with the salary cap, and the 2008 season.

I wish The Packers could go 16-0 every year and win the SuperBowl every year, but unless you are playing Madden, that's just not going to happen.

Philadelphia is going to find out that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

Chip Kelly may be a great college coach, but as we have already read, teams are already disecting the "pistol" offense, and by next year the good DC's(Dom included) will have an answer.

This day and age, it's not the most talented team that wins it all, it's the team that gets the hottest in the playoffs. That team was The Packers in 2010, hopefully it will be them again this year.

Who here thinks The Ravens had the most talent in The NFL this year?

The way I look at it is there are 2 ways a GM can do things, go all out in FA, putting your team in cap hell, hoping you catch a little 1 year magic, or a GM can draft and develope.

I'll take the draft and develope method, Ted has done a pretty good job bringing in the players, and the coaches(all of them), have done a pretty good job getting those players ready to play.

The Injuries The Packers incurred last season would have sent most NFL teams right to the bottom of the barrel.

Does anyone realize The Packers at times had 6 rookies on the field on defense at the same time?

Even though it was great to see some of them excell, sooner or later rookies will make mistakes.

On the positive side, the experience they received will only make The Packers better in 2013.

Same with the O-line, as soon as the injuries hit and players had to start shuffling positions, added to the fact that Saturday just wasn't very good, that's when things started to get out of hand.

Nobody's getting fired, some may leave for another job, so if you want the O-line coach to go, maybe you can call up a team that needs one and offer his services!!! 😄

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Buckeye.. This is a remarkable contibution to my understanding of all that goes into keeping leadership in tact. Thanks for the read. Well done.


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Gaycandybacon
11 years ago
We did nothing to improve our defense last year except for Nick Perry, Casey Hayward, and Jerel Worthy. In which 2 ended up on IR. The rest of the guys were undersized and do not fit in our scheme. You had Jeron Mcmillian covering TEs for god sakes.. We were out matched in almost any game.

When Woodson, Matthews and Shields were hurt our defense went to shit. We had no depth at LB except for Brad Jones who didn't play a down at MLB.. Pickett, Hawk, and CJ Wilson are slow as can be that can't get after the passer.

If you want Capers risk taking defense to improve you need sideline to sideline athletes. He blitzes so much you need everyone on the defense to play fast and cover every inch of the field so the QB has no one to throw to. We've said it from the start that the 3-4 is a hard transition to make. It is a tricky scheme to play.

Get a pass rushing DE, Get a great sized Saftey with speed, cover MLB, and a backup Edge Rusher and you are a step closer to being a better defense.

Cullen Jenkins and Nick Colins left those voids in our defense after they departed this team. We all know our team has aged and gotten slow. It's time to restructure this defense and get back to its 09' and 10' glory.

All they need to do is get a new safety, replace Hawk and Pickett, start Mike Neal over CJ Wilson and this defense will be a hell of a lot better IMO.
PackerTraxx
11 years ago
Good post above, staying healthy would most likely do more for our D than any player. We need some good karma.
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
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Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
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