Remember... Things Aren't as Bad as They Seem· Page 2

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#11

I loved that formation. Shades of the old U71 formation.
Just as soon as they get another infusion of young talent.

Originally Posted by: wpr

I'll gladly give Sherman kudos for the U71. It was freaking awesome. Needed to be used more, but freaking awesome.

DakotaT
Select Member

11 years ago

#12

Sherman always had me excited on draft day. Always trading up and stuff... it was just bitter to see a Punter with the selection ... as an example.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Do realize that if he had traded up and used that pick on Matt Schaub like I thought was happening instead of punter, we very well could have not drafted Aaron Rodgers. Sherman was a fricken genius 😂 for nabbing that punter that could never win the starting job. I wonder if two punters were ever carried on a roster before or after the Sherminator.

JustJeff
Registered Topic Starter

11 years ago

#13

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

No question about it, Packers still draft Aaron Rodgers. Matt Shaub is a stop gap QB, not franchise QB.

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#15

I'm going to take this thread in a bit of a different direction. From a cap standpoint, we just released one of our very top paid players in Woodson. We have a lot of players to extend in the near future, with Rodgers, Matthews, Raji plus some others - a few of those may be significant figures.

For some perspective, take a look at the figures the Jets are trying to renegotiate:

'New York Jets general manager John Idzik will approach a few players about restructuring their contracts. The most likely candidates are LB David Harris (team-high $13 million cap charge), WR Santonio Holmes ($12.5 million), CB Antonio Cromartie ($10.8 million), OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson ($10.7 million) and DT Sione Pouha ($6.2 million). QB Mark Sanchez ($12.9 million) could also be a candidate; however, it doesn't make sense to push his money into future years, considering his tenuous position on the team.'

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz2LTFgI56x

FIVE players with cap figures in excess of $10M. Unreal.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#16

I was looking for a Ron Wolf article... no luck.

But I stumbled across this nugget from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...

Later in the article...

Still later...

The money shot...

Mike Sherman's reign of terror had begun.

Can I get an LOL

Originally Posted by: JustJeff

Just to b e clear:
Mike Sherman took over an 8-8 team after the 1999 season.

2000 as Head coach only.......9-7 missed playoffs

Named GM/HC after 2000 season

2001 12-4 reg season....1-1 playoffs(beat SF, loss to Rams)
2002 12-4 reg season....0-1 playoffs(loss to Falcons)
2003 10-6 reg season....1-1 playoffs(beat Seattle loss to Philly)
2004 9-7 reg season....0-1 playoffs(loss to Vikings)

5 years.....52-28 reg season....2-4 playoffs

Reign of terror????

How can you blame Mike Sherman?

The whole thing started 2 years before mike Sherman ever came to Green Bay.

Anyone remember why Holmgren got on a plane in SF and went to Seattle instead of coming back to Green Bay??????
Because he wanted more player control, he wanted to be GM/HC, those in charge at the time refused his wishes so he left.

Ray Rhodes 1 yr wonder(whoops those in charge realize they have made a HUGE mistake)

Enter Mike Sherman after 1 year of being HC, he is given the power that was refused to MiKe Holmgen.

The GM/HC experiment was a total disaster in most places, blame Mike Sherman if you want, but remember it was THE GUYS UPSTAIRS who made these dumbass moves.

Who knows what would have happened if Mike Holmgren would have stayed in Green Bay?

I know it's "the in thing" around here to Make fun of The Mike Sherman years, but when you take a look back at what really happened, it wasn't bad at all, The Packers could never get over the hump in his 5 years and win it all.

Reign of terror???? I think not
Overwelmed after 4years of being GM/HC, that's probably closer to the truth.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

Rockmolder
Honored Member

11 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

I agree that it's not as much a reign of terror as it is a man trying to do something he just can't do.

Sherman just isn't a GM.

I like the facts you show, but they don't tell the whole story.

Sherman inherited a pretty decent team not too long after the SB run, with which even Ray managed to go 8-8.

The real problem started to arise when it came to the continuity of the team. He drafted awfully in 2003 and 2004. 2002 was somewhat ok, but Javon Walker turned out to be a headcase and behind him, we didn't get a whole lot out of that draft, either, with not a whole lot of pics. We did pick up Kampman and Dookie Davenport, though.

I'm leaving 2001 out because Wolf still drafted that year.

Next to that, when Ted took over, he first had to get the salary cap mess straightened out. That pretty much devestated our O-line and was a big factor in going 6-10.

Sherman's coaching was ok and, at the time, the verdict on his GM skills was still out there. Looking back now, though, you can see that he just didn't do a very good job. Something felt not as hard when he still was GM, but that left its marks after he left.

porky88
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#18

Sherman inherited a team with one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history and never managed to advance to the NFC championship. Ron Wolf also built him a quality roster. Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Ahmad Green, Donald Driver, Darren Sharper, Mike Wahle, Marco Rivera, Mike Flanagan, Mike McKenzie, and Bubba Franks were all quality players. Many are future inductees into the Packer Hall of Fame.

Mike Sherman's tenure in Green Bay was good on paper, but ultimately, underachieving. Perhaps if Ron Wolf stayed another two or three years, and maybe things would've turned out much different.

http://www.row12.com/

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#19

Agreed porky,

Mike Sherman had to deal with these guys as a HC, then turn around and try to negotiate with them and their agents as the GM.
Pretty much been proven that that's not a winning formula.

Wasn't the Mike McKenzie fiasco with him holding out then coming in to play then being sent to New orleans pretty much the final straw?

No way can 1 man deal with players on the field, then deal with them as mal-contants off the field.

When this subject comes up I always wonder how Mike McCarthy would do as GM/HC, or how Ted Thompson would do as the same?

Thankfully The Packer organization learned form their mistake and hopefully it will never be repeated.

I do wonder from time to time just what woud have happened if Holmgen was allowed the power he wanted and stayed in Green Bay ?
Oh well if's and but's..........

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#20

Sherman sucked as GM, but he also was more interested in making the team a country club for his buddies than a championship organization. Mainly because a guy like Rosseley totally sucked shit. Mike Stock too. What was that special teams coach's name?

He totally sucked as ST coach, but they kept him around, because he was Sherman's snitch. Even when he "retired" and they hired a new ST coach, that dude still hung around.

And the way they scapegoated Ed Donnatell was shameful.

That said, I think Sherman's biggest failing was neither his GMing or his focus on putting his friends before the organization. Imo, Sherman's biggest failure was in not standing up to Brent.

In fact, I think his GMing had partially to do with trying to please Brent. Brent still thought he could dictate personnel moves to Ted when Ted took over. Not so.

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