Remember... Things Aren't as Bad as They Seem

JustJeff
Registered Topic Starter

11 years ago

I was looking for a Ron Wolf article... no luck.

But I stumbled across this nugget from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...

May 22, 2002
Ever since the Green Bay Packers released the overweight and aging Bernardo Harris in March, they've had a number of opportunities to add depth at middle linebacker.
But for one reason or another, they didn't pull the trigger.
They entertained free agents Henri Crockett and Robert Jones, then looked into trading for Jeremiah Trotter. Coach and general manager Mike Sherman decided to use the team's available funds to sign defensive end Joe Johnson instead.

Later in the article...

They could have signed Trotter

Still later...

They could have drafted a linebacker

The money shot...

As a result, standing pat has left Green Bay with just one viable alternative at middle linebacker: Torrance Marshall.

Mike Sherman's reign of terror had begun.

Can I get an LOL

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

I think we Packers fans are spoiled, big time. I mean, it's been over 20 some years since we've had non elite starting QB. Teams like Bears, Vikings and Lions have gone several decades without a marginal to good QB. Bears and Lions both have decent QB's now, better than average at least.

Mike Sherman I thought was good as a coach, poor as GM.

Sherman always had me excited on draft day. Always trading up and stuff... it was just bitter to see a Punter with the selection ... as an example.

We've got it good, but we want championships! I think the Packers are probably two maybe three years away from being a legit Super Bowl contention. Unless this draft yields some studs, I think 2013 will end in disappointment. Although, that can be said for 31 teams so that's not stretching it much.

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

yep Sherman was terrible as a GM. I didn't like the move from the day they made the announcement. I didn't know how he would do. I feel there is too much to do as a GM or a HC to be able to do both and excel.

Keep in mind all the talk on comparing GM s and what would have happened is splitting hairs that are as fine as the ones on my head. If you can find them.

A lot of my posts are simply intended to generate some discussion. I think you like that idea.

JustJeff
Registered Topic Starter

11 years ago

We've got it good, but we want championships! I think the Packers are probably two maybe three years away from being a legit Super Bowl contention. Unless this draft yields some studs, I think 2013 will end in disappointment. Although, that can be said for 31 teams so that's not stretching it much.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

We are very spoiled. Vegas has us installed as fourth best odds to win it all in 2013. we're not as far off as some think.

McCarthy always stresses the importance of the second-year-leap. We will not get it from Worthy, but some others who should make the leap.

Nick Perry was just starting to look comfortable when he went down. He could be big. His size/skill-set looks very LaMarr Woodley-ish to me.

One day Jarrett Boykin will be the answer to trivia questions. The question? Who sent Donald Driver to the bench and then to the inactive list. Driver couldn't get on the field with Jordy and Jennings out, because of Boykin. People have slept on him, but he obviously caught the coaches' attention.

Don Barclay is backup material, but played well for an undrafted lineman thrown into the proverbial fire. Early in the season, we ran some six man line by using EDS inside. I really like that idea with Barclay as an extra tackle.

Mike Daniels looked unblockable in preseason. He managed to bring some of that into the regular season. He was a nice change of pace as an inside pressure guy in the nickel.

Terrell Manning was painfully ill throughout camp with inflammation of the large intestine due to a parasite that caused the colitis. He lost 20 pounds, fighting through it with only coaches and teammates knowing what was going on. Manning is one of those "plays faster than he times" guys who is always around the ball.

Casey Hayward, the sky is the limit with a full offseason and an existing knowledge of the defense.

Jerron McMillian, flashed at times, and has the speed to move to FS.

There are so many others too. Our young TEs... Derek Sherrod coming to camp ready to go... DuJuan Harris having a full camp with us... Davon House being healthy and getting a full offseason worth of work.

We're not as far off as some perceive. When does camp open?

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

Originally Posted by: JustJeff

I loved that formation. Shades of the old U71 formation.
Just as soon as they get another infusion of young talent.

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

11 years ago

Don Barclay is backup material, but played well for an undrafted lineman thrown into the proverbial fire. Early in the season, we ran some six man line by using EDS inside. I really like that idea with Barclay as an extra tackle.

Originally Posted by: JustJeff

The idea of Barclay lining up on the ride side with Bulaga and Sitton has crept into my mind before and I have to say I'll be excited when it happens.

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”

"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

The idea of Barclay lining up on the ride side with Bulaga and Sitton has crept into my mind before and I have to say I'll be excited when it happens.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra

Barclay was also in on that 4th and 17 (or whatever it was) fake FG that went for a TD against the Bares. He got in two key blocks as I recall.

I agree we're not far away. Nick Perry will be ready. Dez Moses will have an offseason in the NFL to prepare his body. Dez Bishop, DJ Smith and Marshall will all be ready. Sherrod and Bulaga will be back. Datko will be ready to see if his shoulder can hold up.

Our biggest impediment is Mike and Aaron. If they can pull their heads out and get down with some fundamentally sound offensive philosophy, we'll be unstoppable.

As for Sherman, he did suck as GM. He was the anti-Ted. Always trying to reach for guys to get another ring for Brent, as Brent threw away season after season. But Sherman was never going to stand up to Brent. Wasn't happening.

However my biggest problem with Sherman is that his priority was hiring his friends. Instead, his priority should have been WINNING. Rosseley just sucked balls. And the way they scapegoated Ed Donnatell that year made me lose alot of respect for Sherman.

After Wolf shitcanned Ray Rhodes like he did, it seemed like no one wanted to touch the job with a ten foot pole, perhaps because Rhodes had let Brent take over the operation. Rhodes was an all time great coach, until they forced him into therapy when he made that comment to the effect that "Losing at home is like having someone break into your house and sodomize your family in front of you, and you can't do anything about it." LOL After that he became a bit of a 9-5er.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

11 years ago

Our biggest impediment is Mike and Aaron. If they can pull their heads out and get down with some fundamentally sound offensive philosophy, we'll be unstoppable.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I couldn't help but notice the difference between McCarthys play calling in the divisional round vs John Harbaughs in the Super Bowl. After the 49ers came surging back and the Ravens O floundering trying to throw the ball, Harbaugh committed to the run and it got enough points and time for the Ravens D to make a stand. And it wasn't like the runs were gashing the 49ers D but it got enough yards to make the passing easier and I saw one or two times were the RB helped buy time with blocking on passing downs.

On the other hand McCarthy with his team down 7 mid way through the 3rd quarter, defense running on fumes and moderate success running the ball up to that point decides to throw six straight times from shotgun with 5 WR.

Sure the Ravens had the lead and the Packers were behind but the way the two coaches managed their respective teams and called plays was as different as night and day.

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”

"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers

doddpower
Veteran Member

11 years ago

I really don't blame Rodgers much for the way the offensive play calls have worked out. Mike McCarthy is the head coach. If Rodgers isn't doing what he wants and has planned to have happen, McCarthy should correct Rodgers and make sure it doesn't happen again. He's the head coach. He should be in control of every aspect. Unfortunately, he seems to lose control himself far too often. The discipline starts at the top and works its way down from there.

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#10

I was looking for a Ron Wolf article... no luck.

But I stumbled across this nugget from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...

Later in the article...

Still later...

The money shot...

Mike Sherman's reign of terror had begun.

Can I get an LOL

Originally Posted by: JustJeff

No. But you can get a COL from me. Crying. Sobbing. Oh, the stupidity of Mike Sherman. Wow. What a complete moron in personnel. We could have had a dynasty with a few less personnel blunders.

Thanks a lot wpr....😢

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