Porforis
11 years ago
Interesting discussion on WTMJ in Milwaukee today. Apparently in the Chicago Sun Times today (Not on their wesite unfortunately) there was an article about an incident at a local hospital where a 16 year old went in for an infected tonsil, when they were taking basic information about the teen (medical history stuff) they had asked the parents to leave the room. The pediatrician then asked the teen amongst other things (like if they were being bullied), whether there were any guns in the house (followup question being if there were locks on the guns). This was also information that was being stored by the hospital. A number of other callers called in to confirm similar questioning of their own children, although in most cases with them in the room.

While I can appreciate the need for doctors to ask such questions in the case of routine general wellness cases and in cases where abuse is suspected, why when the kid has an infected tonsil? If this was about keeping kids safe and gun safety, why aren't the parents allowed to be in the room to be a part of the discussion? If the kid says that there are guns in the house and he knows that they're not locked away, why are the parents not involved in the discussion if this really is about the kid's wellbeing? What IS the hospital doing with this information?

While I tire of hearing terms like "nanny state" being thrown around, you do have to wonder about what our society will be like now that government and healthcare insurance are joined at the hip. When the government has a vested monetary interest in people being healthy, you can endlessly justify storing more and more information about people under the guise of your own wellbeing, at the expense of your privacy.
Zero2Cool
11 years ago

While I tire of hearing terms like "nanny state" being thrown around, you do have to wonder about what our society will be like now that government and healthcare insurance are joined at the hip.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Remember the movie Demolition Man? When it came out I thought "Yeah, I can easily see this happening..." lol
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Porforis
11 years ago

Remember the movie Demolition Man? When it came out I thought "Yeah, I can easily see this happening..." lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I remember seeing the last 5 minutes of it when I was about 10.

Edit: Whoops, I was thinking of Running Man.
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11 years ago

Interesting discussion on WTMJ in Milwaukee today. Apparently in the Chicago Sun Times today (Not on their wesite unfortunately) there was an article about an incident at a local hospital where a 16 year old went in for an infected tonsil, when they were taking basic information about the teen (medical history stuff) they had asked the parents to leave the room. The pediatrician then asked the teen amongst other things (like if they were being bullied), whether there were any guns in the house (followup question being if there were locks on the guns). This was also information that was being stored by the hospital. A number of other callers called in to confirm similar questioning of their own children, although in most cases with them in the room.

While I can appreciate the need for doctors to ask such questions in the case of routine general wellness cases and in cases where abuse is suspected, why when the kid has an infected tonsil? If this was about keeping kids safe and gun safety, why aren't the parents allowed to be in the room to be a part of the discussion? If the kid says that there are guns in the house and he knows that they're not locked away, why are the parents not involved in the discussion if this really is about the kid's wellbeing? What IS the hospital doing with this information?

While I tire of hearing terms like "nanny state" being thrown around, you do have to wonder about what our society will be like now that government and healthcare insurance are joined at the hip. When the government has a vested monetary interest in people being healthy, you can endlessly justify storing more and more information about people under the guise of your own wellbeing, at the expense of your privacy.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Er, what's wrong with the term "nanny state"?

[Greek chorus loudly proclaims, "Oh, yes, we knew that Wade would like the term. We knew it, we knew it, for a crazy guy art Wade. We knew it, we knew it, for a crazy guy art Wade]

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Porforis
11 years ago

Er, what's wrong with the term "nanny state"?

[Greek chorus loudly proclaims, "Oh, yes, we knew that Wade would like the term. We knew it, we knew it, for a crazy guy art Wade. We knew it, we knew it, for a crazy guy art Wade]

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Because despite how appropriate it is in some cases, it's used so often it makes my ears bleed.
Cheesey
11 years ago
Wow....had i been asked those questions my parents probably would have been arrested. We had guns in the house, and none of them were locked up.
Neither were their car keys, or beer.
I can see it coming to that extent.
"Nanny state"fits very well. The government thinks "It takes a village", when in fact it only takes parents that take time to TEACH their children right from wrong, and that there are consequences to their actions.
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yooperfan
11 years ago

Wow....had i been asked those questions my parents probably would have been arrested. We had guns in the house, and none of them were locked up.
Neither were their car keys, or beer.
I can see it coming to that extent.
"Nanny state"fits very well. The government thinks "It takes a village", when in fact it only takes parents that take time to TEACH their children right from wrong, and that there are consequences to their actions.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Shit man, I'd be in the crowbar hotel right now.
Big brother is watching.

Formo
11 years ago

Remember the movie Demolition Man? When it came out I thought "Yeah, I can easily see this happening..." lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yeah.. When I first saw that movie (as a youngun) I never noticed the underlying fascist utopia. Just thought it was sucky that Taco Bell's portions were reduced to pill sized meals. And that sex was boring. When I saw it again for the first time since a few years ago (turns out it's one of my wife's favorite movies), I couldn't believe how frightening the future LA was. And how we aren't that far off from that, either.
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11 years ago

Because despite how appropriate it is in some cases, it's used so often it makes my ears bleed.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Ah.

I almost never hear it here. (Except when I'm being cranky/eccentric/crazy.) Then again I work at a "institution of higher education", so I probably don't see a representative slice of the population very often.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Formo
11 years ago
This type of ignorance and intolerance is exactly what I stand against. Props to Mayor Dudley.




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