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doddpower
11 years ago

I dunno. How do we know that the problem hasn't been Campen but the personnel department (scouts, etc.) who haven't identified the right talent? Maybe with the exception of Sitton, Campen simply has been given average/below-average pro talent to work with? How many failed Packer linemen have gone on to notable improvement post-GB?


Originally Posted by: Wade 



There is no way to properly quantify this. But He's been given some nice talent, undoubtedly, imo, especially with guys like Bulaga, who has really struggled being consistent. And then there's the whole flipping players between positions too much, such as Sherrod at guard, when it was always pretty obvious he was a tackle. I think the biggest thing has been the consistency of the offensive line. Sometimes they play great, others, very bad.
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11 years ago

There is no way to properly quantify this. But He's been given some nice talent, undoubtedly, imo, especially with guys like Bulaga, who has really struggled being consistent. And then there's the whole flipping players between positions too much, such as Sherrod at guard, when it was always pretty obvious he was a tackle. I think the biggest thing has been the consistency of the offensive line. Sometimes they play great, others, very bad.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Is Campen the one responsible for the "flipping approach"? Or is that McCarthy? (I ask because I don't know...who makes those recommendations/decisions, head coach, coordinator, or position coach?
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago

Does a fat baby fart? Big time. Absolutely. No doubt about it. He's the same guy that took a defense from No. 24 to No. 5, or No. 2, then the Super Bowl year we're No. 5. He's the same guy. This is the same system. I mean, yeah, Dom is without a doubt the right guy. I think that's about it there.

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Anyone see the problem with this?
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SINCITYCHEEZE
11 years ago
http://www.beloitdailynews.com/sports/facelift-should-start-with-capers/article_cf4b5bcc-5f3d-11e2-9a42-0019bb2963f4.html 

Here is a compelling argument for getting rid of Capers.It's from my hometown paper in Beloit.This guy has been the sports editor there for years.
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rabidgopher04
11 years ago

Anyone see the problem with this?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Skinny babies fart too.
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Gaycandybacon
11 years ago

Anyone see the problem with this?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



This is the same system? idk..
RajiRoar
11 years ago
Ray Horton is available.


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doddpower
11 years ago

Ray Horton is available.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar 



It would be incredible to land him, but I can't imagine it happening. Why would he go from one defensive coordinator position to another, despite the apparent upgrade in teams. He's likely to end up a head coach somewhere. What's left open out there? I think it would be neat to have Horton or Lovey Smith as defensive coordinator next season, but neither one of those is going to happen. It's going to be Dom Capers, no doubt.
Packers_Finland
11 years ago

I dunno. How do we know that the problem hasn't been Campen but the personnel department (scouts, etc.) who haven't identified the right talent? Maybe with the exception of Sitton, Campen simply has been given average/below-average pro talent to work with? How many failed Packer linemen have gone on to notable improvement post-GB?


Originally Posted by: Wade 



He couldn't get anything out of Saturday for one. And Breno Giacomini is doing fine in Seattle.

As some have said though, it's really hard to quantify. But it's as easy as going: "The defense sucks, get rid of Capers" as it is to say "Campen sucks get rid of him". The OL sucks way worse than our D too.
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RajiRoar
11 years ago

It would be incredible to land him, but I can't imagine it happening. Why would he go from one defensive coordinator position to another, despite the apparent upgrade in teams. He's likely to end up a head coach somewhere. What's left open out there? I think it would be neat to have Horton or Lovey Smith as defensive coordinator next season, but neither one of those is going to happen. It's going to be Dom Capers, no doubt.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Cards hired a new DC, all HC gigs are filled up, he doesn't have much of a choice.

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