Why can't we put a cop in every public school? At a minimum, it's one less cop hanging tickets on the taxpayers for traffic violations.

BS, we can take them off the interstate and replace with those radarcams. Bunch of doughnut eatin beaurocrats, almost as bad as pensioning military people.

About time you joined the party.

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I have nothing to add to the conversation. I was taught to respect firearms and my fellow man. Someone forgot to teach those so very simple lessons to all you fucking rednecks, crazies, druggies, drunks and thug/homies. Where was the responsible dad/ grandad/adult figure (male. almost invariably) If the shoe fits, wear it, otherwise, my apology.

... In a perfect world, SO MANY should have their guns taken from them. Perhaps, many of you.

When the pointy end kills, you must be an absolute expert in it's use, care and feeding. (pointy end always in a safe direction, finger off trigger until ready to shoot, unloaded until ready to shoot- 1st 3 of many safety rules to master)
as a responsible human being

One small example- If you don't know the simple difference between a cartridge and a bullet... I'd confiscate all your guns. You don't really give a shit about what you have, and it shows. Go buy several more cases of beer/ weed instead of a gun, moron.

2nd small example- Keep the pointy end away from your fellow human being unless you are at war. (War can mean in self-defense-make sure you know what that is, too, imo)

3rd small example- If you have hit your wife or beaten a pet, or get off on any kind of cruelty, you should absolutely not own a gun, plus... you disgust me.


How do you regulate stupidity or ignorance?

If allowed, I'd start by wringing your neck, but I digress...Every single stupid / crazy / criminal act undermines responsible gun ownership. Personally, when I see it, I call it, to whatever degree required- I say, all must do the same.

Fucking fools, shooting one another, whatever the respective ages... but now the nuts are shooting little kids. Time to start taking away the guns--- fucked yourselves, dysfunctionals!

In other words, as said, I have absolutely no opinion, which is why I can add nothing to the conversation. a/k/a "dust in the wind" when it comes to gun ownership. That's all I got for the moment, Dakota.

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As far as society in general is concerned- We are FUCKED. The shitty schooling finally caught up with us. 🤐

I hardly doubt James Madison had assault rifles in mind when inking the 2nd amendment so I really would like ignorant people to quit tossing that around out of context. Firing off ... what rifle they have back then ... a musket? versus something like an AK47? There's a bit of a difference there you knuckleheads!

I've thought quite a bit more about this and I don't think abolishing guns entirely is the answer. Killers will find ways to kill, albeit far less efficiently. I would rather see a strong push against assualt rifles and automatic weapons. I'm not a gun expert so my terminology is probably crap. But guns that fall into the mindset of the context of the 2nd amendment ... no issues there with me. It's the guns where you can fire off 14 shots in 90 seconds or hold a trigger an rake down a forest that I feel need to be more adequately outlawed.


Thing is ... we have gun control currently in nearly every state so is MORE really the answer or do we need to look deeper?

I believe Texas is the only state you can conceal a loaded weapon. Again, I'm ignorant on that so I could be mistaken.

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The answer according to some on here is to have a guard in each school who is armed.

Good Idea??

Until that armed guard bears a grudge against someone and decides to go on a rampage in the school.

And then it will be "Whose idea was it to let someone be inside school premises with a loaded gun?"

"We gotta arm every teacher"!!!!!! Will be the next knee jerk reaction.

It will never end until you remove "The right to bear arms" from the constitution.

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I think protecting schools would be rather simplistic.

Most if not all schools have a double set of doors. The inner set should be freaking titanium or something, lol. You get the point.

Any visitor coming through gets the 'wand' checking for metal. It goes off, they don't go in.





So, outer set of doors, unlocked.
Visitor enters outer doors, buzzes for school employee.
Employee wands visitor.
if visitor fails wand check, no entry.
if visitor passes wand check, office employee unlocks inner doors allowing both employee and visitor through.

That school employee must be willing to sacrifice their life those the kids.

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Here are the latest available murder stats comparing the UK with the USA.

We do not have the same gun laws as the USA.

We do not have gun shops in any high street.

A firearms licence is needed but you are not allowed to have a firearm in the home unless it is for use as a farmer(shotgun)or for sporting purposes )Clay pidgeon shooting, grouse/pheasant shooting etc).

I have never held a real-life gun in my life-time and I don't intend to do so.

The figures speak for themselves really.


http://www.juancole.com/2012/07/58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us.html 

The annual rate of murders committed in the UK by firearm is 0.03% per 100,000 people in the states it is 2.98%. Simple fact if the population is armed more people get shot and killed.

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Flep- I'm undecided though leaning left on the sudden wave of gun control discussions. With that said, eliminating guns does not solve the issue. Oklahoma city involved no guns. Co theatre shooter damn near blew up the neighborhood with a booby-trapped apt. Lynchburg VA had a pipe bomb brought to a middle school in November, the NE Oklahoma HS threat thwarted Friday involved explosives at the front door for when cops arrived.

Zero- Barracading the front door is great, but then someone can access a window or side door. Fortify those then, right? What happens when there's a fire in the school and a main entrance is blocked and you cant escape through the windows because of the steel bars in front of them?

I don't mean to be so cynical, and to some extent I actually agree w/ what both of you are saying, but it shows there are myriad layers to this issue.

The fire exits would remain the same. The doors unlock from the inside during fire alarm. I wouldn't recommend them being unlockable from the inside because a kid could mistakenly let someone in.

I think most windows in schools are pretty difficult to get through as it is currently.

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^^This^^

It's why, when gun control/rights discussions come up, I tend to put my opinion forth once, twice at most, wait to get called a few names, and then remain silent thereafter. Three generations of effed-up education-encouraged ignorance and wrongheadness about history and what constitutes relevant "change" mean the likelihood of informed understanding is slim and none.

On one board I frequent, not this one, I got called "condescending" and "arrogant" in the attitude I put forth in my one or two posts there since I was obviously claiming to know more than everyone else. After which another 10 pages of posts (with no end in sight) completely missing the point I was making, have proven that, in fact, I did know more about what I was talking about.

And, no, I don't own a gun. Nor will I ever likely buy one again.

I do know *my* limitations and what they will likely cost me in the end.

I will only say this, and let the rest of you say whatever you want ... in my opinion, the fact that people are actually contemplating with all seriousness the idea of a permanent armed police presence in schools is nothing more than proof a fortiori that compulsory education is an idea whose time has come and gone.

Yeah, I know, crazy.

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