Pack93z
11 years ago

Not exactly true, and irrelevant on this topic. The Commish does not make these rules changes.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Who has stated that he makes the rule changes?

The point here is the he is using his position of the commissioner to be nothing more than a PR mouthpiece for the owners.

Hence, if he wants his name to be linked with such topics, it is natural that he will be assigned public perception of blame or praise for it.

Why bring something to light, that hasn't been discussed for some time, that could be and should be left for discussion with the union (ad hoc players) as it is part of the CBA before discussing or pushing it publicly. All this is going to do is continue to create space between the owners and players, which is not in the best of the league.

And there lies the overall problem, his job is to conduct business that is in the best interest of the entire league.. all entities. And honestly that is where he is failing.. a walking contradiction of statements, many of which should be ran through the channels well before publicly pressing an issue.

Now granted, some of that is to gauge public/fan/media interest and feedback, but it also costs in terms of relationships with specific entities of the league. His failing so to speak.

For the record, the 2006 version of the bylaws for reference of the scope of duties of the commissioner for those that might want to review.. see page 28 of the linked document. [grin1]  NFL Bylaws.pdf You have insufficient rights to see the content.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago

Not exactly true, and irrelevant on this topic. The Commish does not make these rules changes.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



The changes are made by the Owners, however, the commissioner presents many possible solutions or changes. Therefore the commissioner is NOT absolved of accountability in HIS outlandish suggestions that are made public.

There is no mistake about it, he, the commissioner wants to put HIS stamp on the NFL and changes.
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

Who has stated that he makes the rule changes?

The point here is the he is using his position of the commissioner to be nothing more than a PR mouthpiece for the owners.

Hence, if he wants his name to be linked with such topics, it is natural that he will be assigned public perception of blame or praise for it.

Why bring something to light, that hasn't been discussed for some time, that could be and should be left for discussion with the union (ad hoc players) as it is part of the CBA before discussing or pushing it publicly. All this is going to do is continue to create space between the owners and players, which is not in the best of the league.

And there lies the overall problem, his job is to conduct business that is in the best interest of the entire league.. all entities. And honestly that is where he is failing.. a walking contradiction of statements, many of which should be ran through the channels well before publicly pressing an issue.

Now granted, some of that is to gauge public/fan/media interest and feedback, but it also costs in terms of relationships with specific entities of the league. His failing so to speak.

BTW.. if you want the full scope of the Commish's duties and length of control.. see page 28 of the linked document. [grin1]

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Almost everybody blames him for rule changes. It is always, goodell is taking the hits out of the game, goodell is making it flag football. Goodell is protecting QB's, goodell is making it a passing league. Look at the title of this thread. Goodell thinking of extending playoffs. It is not him thinking it, it is the league, the owners. Sure he could come out and not say anything about what was discussed, but then, when the decisions were finished, he would have to stand up and announce This is what was done, and he would be criticized just as much for protecting the owners and league by keeping it all quiet.

Goodell is damned if he does damned if he don't.

And they can do it without approval of the NFLPA. the cba says the players need to approve expansion of the regular season. But everything is covered for the playoffs as long as they don't add weeks. Wildcard, division, conference. They can add two wildcard games, and the player can do nothing about it. But again, that is the Owners, the league. Got Goodell, he may agree or not, but it isn't his decision.

It is said it comes with the job, but that doesn't make it right. I myself understand that while he is the face, the choices are most always not his. the only ones that have really been his, has been the level of fines, and punishment.
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Pack93z
11 years ago
Okay.. yes the thread title is bouncing it.


But I concur with your statement of facts, but it is not perception.

Now, on the fines and hits being fined. The rule is no helmet to helmet contact, but it is under his watch that they are inconsistently enforcing that rule. It is under his watch that they are determining which hits are being subject to discipline, including the threat of suspension to Ed Reed early this season.

So no, he cannot be absolved of that, while he might not be directly associated with the rulings.. it is upon his watch with input decided by partially of people appointed by him.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago
PackFanWithTwins wants to wrap Roger Goodell in bubble wrap and protect him from everything! RG can do no wrong!!! Blame someone else!!!


Disgusting!


I bet if he were to get a parking ticket PackFanWithTwins would blame the Owners for that too!


The NFL is making their game flag football, not one person and no one has said much otherwise.
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

Okay.. yes the thread title is bouncing it.


But I concur with your statement of facts, but it is not perception.

Now, on the fines and hits being fined. The rule is no helmet to helmet contact, but it is under his watch that they are inconsistently enforcing that rule. It is under his watch that they are determining which hits are being subject to discipline, including the threat of suspension to Ed Reed early this season.

So no, he cannot be absolved of that, while he might not be directly associated with the rulings.. it is upon his watch with input decided by partially of people appointed by him.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Which is why I have stated that I have and will continue to criticize him for how he has been punishing. I can't blame goodell for the defenseless player rule being created, but I can for how he has enforced and punished for it.

Can't blame Goodell for the owners locking out the refs. But I can blame him for how unprepared and bad the replacement officials were.

And can't blame Goodell for the owners talking about expanding the playoffs.
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Pack93z
11 years ago



And can't blame Goodell for the owners talking about expanding the playoffs.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Agreed... but we can blame him for taking it public, thus subjecting himself (really is name) to public scrutiny. And basically causing more friction amongst the entities he is suppose to be representing.
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Porforis
11 years ago

Agreed... but we can blame him for taking it public, thus subjecting himself (really is name) to public scrutiny. And basically causing more friction amongst the entities he is suppose to be representing.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



For all you know, he knows it's a terrible idea and is making it public before it gains any significant traction amongst the owners precisely because he knows it will get a negative reaction.
Pack93z
11 years ago

For all you know, he knows it's a terrible idea and is making it public before it gains any significant traction amongst the owners precisely because he knows it will get a negative reaction.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Agreed.. but then he is taking the sword of criticism. But isn't that still being a shill for the owners and taking away from what should be an exciting time (verge of the playoffs) for the league?

But you are correct, he could be the "hero" we the fans deserve and just destroying his legacy in the process.

I just don't think he would take that approach in a week in which he basically was overturned by PT.. and his "credibility" with the players is at an low point.
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Formo
11 years ago

The contradictions that are the Commish.

Player safety and reducing the impacts of hits is vital to the game.

vs.

Lets add more games, thus more hits along the way, to the league.


It isn't about fan value, it isn't that the fans are screaming we need more. It is the concept that the owners think they can squeeze more green blood from the stone.

Never mind they are neutering the game in the process of the current slate of games. Creating rule to promote more scoring; and when the defenses adjust.. add more layers of rules to promote scoring. Making the hit zone an unrealistic target more and more by the week because they are getting bent over backwards in litigation.

Yet, adding more games to the slate seems to be the importance?

Reality is... the owners know they are going to get spanked in court very soon and don't want a dip in the bottom line of their cash flow, so why not take more off the backs of fans and the TV networks.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Don't be fooled my friend. He, nor the NFL, are TRULY concerned about player safety and reducing vicious hits. They are concerned about implementing rules, regulations, and penalties so that they will be absolved from any cases in the courts. One can't sue the NFL for trying to cover up knowledge that football is a dangerous sport if the NFL implements all these rules and regulations to the game (successfully changing it on a nearly fundamental level).

Oh, wait.. You just said that.. =)

That aside.. I actually like the idea of more playoff games. But only if they expand the league by at least 2 more teams (preferably 4)
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