DakotaT
  • DakotaT
  • Select Member Topic Starter
12 years ago
Is it my imagination, or are there more injuries in the modern NFL than there were 20 years ago or older? We use to call it a sprained knee, the guy wrapped it up and kept playing. The only thing that would drag a guy off the field was a broken bone. Hell, Ronnie Lott hacked off part of a finger so he could play. Are the players today softer, or is the league doing the right thing holding players out?
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
12 years ago
I think if you look at this year, it might be the first of a trend with the reduced offseason load and year round conditioning. Players are human, and without a push through the offseason, they are not going to remain in peak physical conditioning. Then they try and come back and play a game at a pace of today with the size and speed ratio of today's athletes.

I think the players and union did themselves a disservice by cutting the offseason work load.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
beast
12 years ago


For years, dirt was a magical tool used by coaches to keep players healthy. But as the world gets more into technology, and more they forgot about the world's inner magical forces. Now very few NFL teams, if any, have dirt underneath them to grab and rub with... now it's mostly just fake grass...



UserPostedImage
PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago
I think some of it is the thought put into the longevity of the players. Is it better for the team to sit Nelson for a couple weeks to heal the Hammy, or have him play injured and risk losing him for longer or ever.

I also think most if the season ending injuries have less to do with lack of conditioning, and more to do with over conditioning. These guys don't take the offseason off. Most are constanlty working out to keep in shape so they only need to condition to game shape once camp starts.

Some things of the body can only take some much and working out can't help. Ligaments and tendons don't get stronger by working out. We see guys, tear ACL's by simply running. If that was a result of being out of shape, I wouldn't make it through a softball season. I don't tear them, because my bones, ligaments and tendons can take more than my out of shape body can produce.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
12 years ago
It is not just one thing.
1. Money. These guys get paid so much more than their forefathers it is ridiculous. Back in the 40's-70's they had to play so that they could get paid. And it was every down. Now they have all these situational substitutions many don't play much more than half the snaps.
2. Technology. Since they can diagnose the injuries better today than in antiquity they have a better understanding of what the injury is. In the 40's they would have said sprained knee instead of a torn ACL.
3. Legal system. With the lawsuits hanging over the NFL they want to make sure they come across as the Caring Corp.
4. Attitude. Kind of ties in with #1. If players have a good thing going they want to milk it for as long as they can. Sitting out the remainder of a year can lead to a longer career. Whereas playing with an injury could cause more harm and shorten a career. What would someone like Gale Sayers have been able to do with he had today's technology and not tried to play though some of his injuries?
5. Conditioning. Like Pack93 says the shorter training camp and shorter practice week may well have an impact on injuries.
6. Physical abilities. The players are bigger, stronger, faster today with better equipment. There is more opportunity for injury. I knew a guy who played for the 1970 Baltimore Colts. (I saw his super bowl ring.) Later he played a couple of years for the New England Patriots. He was a HB. I could not believe how small he was compared to the players in the 90's.
7. Dirt. I like the approach Beast has. Without natural fields they don't have dirt on the sidelines like they use to. Coupled with that is the plastic fields are not the same as the mud fields. But we all saw how upset NFL Inc was when GB hosted the NFC CG in the 90's with a muddy field. There is nothing wrong with a field that is more mud than grass in Dec and Jan. Other than the fact that it doesn't look pretty on tv. That and the players won't run as fast so there won't be as many injuries.

UserPostedImage
play2win
12 years ago

Is it my imagination, or are there more injuries in the modern NFL than there were 20 years ago or older? We use to call it a sprained knee, the guy wrapped it up and kept playing. The only thing that would drag a guy off the field was a broken bone. Hell, Ronnie Lott hacked off part of a finger so he could play. Are the players today softer, or is the league doing the right thing holding players out?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I think the players of today are bigger, faster and stronger than those of yesteryear. More injuries are going to happen with those collisions. Figure, too, they wear far less padding today. The other consideration is the medical advancements in diagnosing injuries, and in healing injuries. A guy who may have had a career ending injury back in the day, gets repaired today and back onto the field, sometimes in the same season. Once back onto the field, they are less conditioned, yet having to take the hits of these same bigger, faster, stronger players.
RajiRoar
12 years ago
I wonder if more teams will adopt that grass/turf hybrid GB was using, or still is?

MintBaconDrivel
Dec, 11, 2012 - FOREVER!
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
12 years ago

I wonder if more teams will adopt that grass/turf hybrid GB was using, or still is?

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar 



hard to say. At one time it seemed like many stadiums were moving this direction. I think Field Turf's current softer version that is not as hard on players has halted this move.

grass is still king.

15 stadiums have some kind of all natural grass surface. About half are listed as just plain old grass. 1 is KY Bluegrass. The rest are 419 Tifway Bermuda Grass.

13 have some kind of artificial turf. Field Turf leads the way these days with 7. Then a bunch of other brand name versions which I won't list. I find it interesting that New Orleans has had 3 different artificial surfaces since 2003. Of course Katrina was the culprit for this but what I find interesting is they did not keep the same brand name surface when they switched in 2006 and 2010.

3 stadiums have the Desso GrassMaster hybrid. I was curious to see because I thought more stadiums had a hybrid even if they used some other company's version of it. (I thought Field Turf was one of them but it doesn't appear to be when I read about it.) GrassMaster is huge in Europe on "Association Football" (Soccer) fields. There are 22 in England alone including Wembley.

wiki 
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
dfosterf (6-Jun) : Semper fi !
Cheesey (6-Jun) : This is why I have so much respect for those that have gone through battles
Cheesey (6-Jun) : I can't even imagine what that would have been like
wpr (6-Jun) : "Come on, you sons of bitches. Do you want to live forever?"
wpr (6-Jun) : Facing a line of machine guns 2 time medal of Honor recipient, First Sergeant Dan Daly told his men,
wpr (6-Jun) : Another detachment went into the Belleau Wood.
wpr (6-Jun) : On the 6th the Marines took Hill 142 but suffered terrible losses.
wpr (6-Jun) : It’s time to remember dfoster’s Marine brothers in Belleau Wood. The battle went on from June 1-26. Nearly 10,000 casualties.
packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : Nick Collins and Morgan Burnett have signed with the PACK
packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : he won't be wearing #12, maybe he will wear number two
packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : He will fail this season, should have retired
Mucky Tundra (5-Jun) : Thus the cycle of Hall of Fame Packer QBs going to the Jets and then the Vikings is broken
bboystyle (5-Jun) : Rodgers to steelers on 1 year contract
Zero2Cool (5-Jun) : It's the cycle of civilizations. Get lazier, lazier, softer, softer and vanish.
Martha Careful (5-Jun) : great point. every aspect of society, including art, culture and sports has degraded.
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Green Bay sweep meant something to society about stopping pure excellence. We have the tush push now
dfosterf (4-Jun) : We old Martha.
Martha Careful (4-Jun) : *front four
Martha Careful (4-Jun) : Re frout four, I wish we had some Green "People Eaters" or a fearsome foursome
dfosterf (4-Jun) : *directions*
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Just don't ask him for driving direct
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Jim Marshall was an all-time great DE for the Purple People Eaters. Didn't like him. That's a compliment. RIP
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : ooppppss
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : “Kenny Clark played all of last season hurt by the way and got surgery to fix it in January”
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood How much did the injury affect him last fall? “A lot.”
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood Kenny Clark said he had foot surgery in January. Injured his foot in opener against Eagles and played through it all year.
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : Golden is wearing guardian cap again. I bet he plays with it on too.
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : All the stuff I'm reading from Lions fans are pointing at his toe; he more or less has permanent turf toe in one of his big toes
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Kenny played through it, and a shame he gets little credit for that, imo
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Big men. I hope it's not the undoing of Kenny Clark
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Probably his toe. Pretty much a great center. Toe injuries are brutal to bigen
Mucky Tundra (2-Jun) : Lions All-Pro C Frank Ragnow retires
wpr (30-May) : It's all good.
beast (30-May) : Yeah, and I enjoyed your comments and just attempted to add to it. Sorry if I did it incorrectly.
wpr (30-May) : Beast I never said Henderson was the salt of the earth. Nor even that he was correct. Just quoting the guy.
Zero2Cool (29-May) : What did you do??
Zero2Cool (29-May) : Whoa
beast (29-May) : OMG the website is now all white, even some white on white text
beast (29-May) : Henderson, who admits to taking cocaine during the Super Bowl against the Steelers, might dislike Bradshaw as he lost two Superbowls to him
wpr (28-May) : Hollywood Henderson said Bradshaw “is so dumb, he couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the C and an A.”
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Cooper stock=BUY BUY BUY
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Also notes he’s playing with more confidence.
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : @AndyHermanNFL MLF says there was a time last year where Cooper was at 220 pounds. Now he’s at 240 and still flying around.
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : And don't even get me started on Frank Caliendos "impersonations"
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I got tired of them being circle jerks with them overlaughing at each others jokes.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : It used to be must watch TV for me. now it's "meh" maybe to hear injury update
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I haven't watched the pregame shows in years and I don't feel like I've missed a thing
Zero2Cool (28-May) : Love says knee affected him all season, groin injury didn't help matters.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : I used to enjoy him on FOX Pregame. Now it's like a frat party of former Patriots.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : LaFleur on Watson: “Christian is doing outstanding. I would say he’s ahead of schedule.”
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
7-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

7-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

6-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

27-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

27-May / Random Babble / Martha Careful

24-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.