play2win
12 years ago
I think we are going to have to add a couple of players if we are going to right this, namely a NT and an OT. Any ideas?
musccy
12 years ago
add a center to that list!
buckeyepackfan
12 years ago
This time of year I really doubt there is anyone available that is better than what we have.

Ted rolled the dice this year, letting Wells go(yes I know he is on IR but it made a difference), signing Saturday. then hoping none of the starters would get hurt.

Now The Packers are just going to have to make the best of what is there.

It's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. O[line was dominated last night, but hell the whole team was pretty much dominated, Packers just rolled into New jersey at a really bad time.

The thing that stuck out to me the maost was McCarthey's play calling, seems as soon as The Giants took the 10 point lead he panicked and went into throw the ball at any cost mode.

Now is not the time to panic!!!! Packers still have their goals within sight.

Time to forget about this debacle and move foward.
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Pack93z
12 years ago

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It's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. O[line was dominated last night, but hell the whole team was pretty much dominated, Packers just rolled into New jersey at a really bad time.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Couldn't say it better than that.. it was a measuring stick type of game and this team has to readjust the sights.

Let's not forget, the defense got rolled right along with the Oline. The only comfort there is we have guys that are coming back to the defense.. the offensive line is what it is.


The thing that stuck out to me the maost was McCarthey's play calling, seems as soon as The Giants took the 10 point lead he panicked and went into throw the ball at any cost mode.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Exactly.. when we stayed balanced early, we move the ball fine. The PA really opened up the Nelson throw.

The chain of events of a decision to try a 55 yard field goal, giving the field position early back to the Giants followed by a pick and a TD set in motion some panic within MM. There are not many teams that will block that defensive line in a pass only mode. It wasn't just the play calling.. it was spreading it out ahead of the play and yelling.. turn it loose to those Pass rush dogs in blue.



Now is not the time to panic!!!! Packers still have their goals within sight.

Time to forget about this debacle and move foward.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



The offensive line is what it is, they struggle with speed rushers.. you have to pop those pricks int he mouth, soften them up and then start to pass on them.

But the Giants also jammed the Packers receivers aggressively.. and they struggled to get loose. Even Jones and Nelson struggled... the only guy that was consistently beating the jam was Finley.

We have work to do.. and this game shows just how much.

I think it will help set a sense of urgency to get the running game working better and then walking back in there and popping them square. We were running the ball pretty well prior to the above chain of events. 5 for 29, 5.8 Per carry. It propelled us to a TD and a FG attempt.

The next drive.. 3 pass attempts.. a sack, a QB scramble after pressure (although, it looked like a designed draw based on offensive line positioning down field, but the concept makes no sense), and a quick throw for 6 yards.

Panic move by MM.

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play2win
12 years ago

This time of year I really doubt there is anyone available that is better than what we have.

Ted rolled the dice this year, letting Wells go(yes I know he is on IR but it made a difference), signing Saturday. then hoping none of the starters would get hurt.

Now The Packers are just going to have to make the best of what is there.

It's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. O[line was dominated last night, but hell the whole team was pretty much dominated, Packers just rolled into New jersey at a really bad time.

The thing that stuck out to me the maost was McCarthey's play calling, seems as soon as The Giants took the 10 point lead he panicked and went into throw the ball at any cost mode.

Now is not the time to panic!!!! Packers still have their goals within sight.

Time to forget about this debacle and move foward.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



I agree with you buckeye. I do think we have some of the pieces on OL to move forward, and that the play calling/coaching is what really needs to improve. What concerns most from a personnel standpoint, is NT. Raji and Pickett need someone with some beef in there to rotate. Give those guys a reasonable break, and they are far more effective.

Pack93z
12 years ago
I posted this a couple weeks ago.. best free agent OL.. ranked by Rotoworld.

I think if a guy like Jason Brown being in the top 10.. it speaks volumes about what is currently available.

Offensive Linemen 

1. Chad Clifton
2. Kareem McKenzie
3. Kyle Kosier
4. Tony Pashos
5. Brandon Keith
6. Montrae Holland
7. Artis Hicks
8. Jason Brown
9. Vince Manuwai
10. Jeff Otah
11. Reggie Wells
12. Mario Henderson
13. Kasey Studdard
14. Tony Moll
15. Stacy Andrews
16. Chris Kemoeatu
17. Andre Gurode
18. James Lee
19. Jamaal Jackson
20. Trai Essex
21. Adam Goldberg
22. Lydon Murtha
23. Daniel Loper
24. Anthony Herrera
25. Duke Robinson
26. Quinn Ojinnaka
27. Kirk Chambers
28. George Foster
29. Alex Barron
30. Josh Beekman




I don't think EDS being in there is hurting us.. I think our best combination available would be Newhouse-Lang-EDS-Sitton-?. But without having a option for ?.. we have what we have, Lang playing the edge and the coaching staff trying to assist both ends that struggle with speed. Speed on turf just magnifies the issue.. hence, why we need to play on grass. I will only help the oline with speed rushing teams.
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Rockmolder
12 years ago
That list has Tony Moll listed six spots higher than Tony Essex, so yeah, I wouldn't go with that one.

But Buckeye's right. We do this every single year. One position on the team is struggling and we're calling for roster moves. Thing is, there's just no one out there right now. Once in a while you get lucky and you sign someone like Howard Green, who out of the blue contributes to your team, but that barely ever happens.

Whether you want to a good o-lineman, an OLB or a DT/DE, you're not just going to go and pick someone up right now.

If Ted could, why wouldn't he already have done just that?
play2win
12 years ago
I would bring Clifton in and reshuffle the deck. Move Newhouse to the RT and Lang back to LG. I would do that today.
Rockmolder
12 years ago

I would bring Clifton in and reshuffle the deck. Move Newhouse to the RT and Lang back to LG. I would do that today.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Are you sure that the man can still walk?
play2win
12 years ago
No, but if he passed a physical, I'd sign him. Man, I forgot my disclaimer!

This from Peter King:
"Prelude to a diss: In the last 52 weeks, the Packers have met the Giants three times. Green Bay has allowed 35, 37 and 38 points, and an average of 419 yards a game, and nine Eli Manning touchdown passes. Time for defensive coordinator Dom Capers to figure out a way to cover the Giants deep. Time for Charles Woodson and Clay Matthews to heal. Time for a shaky line to protect Aaron Rodgers. Time for GM Ted Thompson to find reinforcements for the line."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/26/Week-12/index.html#ixzz2DMO69xFr 

Also, I might consider bringing Philip Merling back into the fold, depending on what happens with CJ Wilson.
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