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PackerTraxx
Senior Member

12 years ago

The next man up is cute rhetoric, but in reality it doesn't mean much. Your starters are starters for a reason - they're more talented, faster, quicker, stronger, more instinctive. If Harrell or Driver were forced into the position of "next man up" we could preach the mantra all we want, but would you really expect the same production?

Originally Posted by: musccy

This...and it shows more blatantly when you play good teams.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#32

Ted always leaves us dangerously thin at one position or another.

This year was OL.

And QB...

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#33

Ted always leaves us dangerously thin at one position or another.

This year was OL.

And QB...

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I agree, I think Mark Murphy should find a better General Manager. Ted Thompson is failing to have starting caliber backups at all 22 starting positions and can easily be replaced.

play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

#34

If it were that easy, everyone in the league would have a 100 yard rusher each game. I'm sure Campen is an issue, but aside from Lang and Sitton at guard, I have virtually no confidence in anyone else on the roster at any other OL position. They seemingly can't pull, move for screens, hell they were manhandled in a 3 man rush at times last night. Every f'n draft pick in 2013 should be on an OL - well maybe one pick on a WR capable of beating a 5'9" corner pressing at the line wouldn't hurt.

Originally Posted by: musccy

This is crazy talk.

Our #1 problem at OL is: COACHING. Plain and simple.

We have drafted OL with our #1 pick twice in the last 3 years. Bulaga with the 23rd pick in 2010. Sherrod with the 32nd pick in the 2011 draft. Let's face it, our coaches (Campen and Hilgenberg) are not coaching this OL properly, and McCarthy and Clements are not calling the plays properly to put our team in a position to win.

It is really simple. Get your guys together, tell them we are going to run at the opponent 55% of our plays. Then, fucking call those plays and let your guys tee off!

Alex Green alone should have had 22 carries. Starks should have that or close to that too. Guess what? We would have won, and our OL would have gotten the game ball.

We should have punched NYG in the mouth. Instead, we absorbed their rush with devastating consequences, putting our players mostly in pass protection. The play calling alone made them look like a bunch of pansies. You cannot absorb that from a quality DL, on a mission, and expect to win. No team can.

play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

#35

I agree, I think Mark Murphy should find a better General Manager. Ted Thompson is failing to have starting caliber backups at all 22 starting positions and can easily be replaced.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

i don't think that's fair. Ted has to own his part of the blame with regard to positions he left thin. And we all know he left BOTH DL and OL depth thin on the final 53. I , personally, cannot believe he did not find an adequate backup at NT for this season. That blows my mind.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#36

Originally Posted by: play2win

You want to talk about being fair? Check the injury report. You can find flaws with EVERY single GM in the NFL. Is it really fair to lack objectivity and reason when saying someone is failing in their profession?

No one is absolving the GM of responsibility, but expecting 22 starting quality backup's is freaking absurd expectations.

play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

#37

I love Ted, and I think he's been an amazing GM for us. I like McCarthy too. Hey, this staff of his got an inordinate amount of rookies to step up and play very well.

I'm just saying there are a couple of areas that are in fact on the GM. OL and DL depth. To start the season, both were left quite thin, were they not? Now, we've got atrophy on both lines, and questions looming about how to fill in the blanks. I'm not railing on Thompson, not at all. But, he left us thin in the trenches, where most teams win in this NFL.

The kicker for me is the DL. We needed pass rush. That was paramount after last season. Why, why, why leave your DL thin to start the season?

As for the OL, I happen to think we wouldn't even be talking about it if they were coached up to smash the Giants in the mouth for 4 quarters of run dominated offense.

Pack93z
Select Member

12 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: play2win

I will disagree with the premise that we don't have better DL depth than last season.. the numbers simply tell us that we have a better rotation than last season. See the defensive comparison thread.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

musccy
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#39

The kicker for me is the DL. We needed pass rush. That was paramount after last season. Why, why, why leave your DL thin to start the season?

Originally Posted by: play2win

You can blame Ted et al for not drafting well, but not for a lack of an attempt to address this. He brought in Muir, a former 2nd rounder from the Dolphins, Hargrove, drafted Worthy, Daniels, and 2 LBs to help with the pass rush. Their was certainly a recognition of a flaw and an attempt to fix it.

play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

#40

I will disagree with the premise that we don't have better DL depth than last season.. the numbers simply tell us that we have a better rotation than last season. See the defensive comparison thread.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

I should have stuck with NT Pack93z. I just have not been thrilled with the idea of leaving Raji and Pick without proper backup.

I expected more from Worthy and Neal. Those two disappointed me against the Giants.

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