Pack93z
12 years ago

DO they still fear him?

He's still tall, but he's not nearly as athletic as pre-knee injury, imo.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Watch the coverage.. IMO, yes they still fear him.
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doddpower
12 years ago

Watch the coverage.. IMO, yes they still fear him.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



From my initial views of all the snaps, I'm not convinced they "fear" him. They cover him, yes, but I wouldn't call it fear. He's accounted for, and that helps, but his impact lately has not been monumental. I've got most of the games recorded, so I'll try to go back through if I have time, but at this point I'm not convinced. Finley hasn't gotten a lot of separation in some time now.
doddpower
12 years ago

And what is wrong with his comments? Was he not right?

Is it suprising that Finley has gone down in production, when Jennings has been out of games, when defenses can shift coverages to him? NO. Is is suprising that Cobb has increased? NO. It was expected. Much of Cobbs production comes from routes that get cleared by Finley pulling coverage away.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 




If Finley can only be very productive with Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and James Jones are on the field, than that makes him an average tight end, imo. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Not all players are elite. But a truly great tight end will still produce. The rest of the Packers surrounding cast is still really good, including the guy throwing him the ball. There should be more room for Finley, but he simply doesn't get a lot of separation and has developed a pattern of untimely drops. It is what it is, but it's too bad he hasn't been able to consistently produced at the same level he showed earlier in his career.

The Packer's can easily make it by with just an average Finley, but not for long with that price tag. He's not getting paid like an average tight end, and the Packers aren't going to have much cash to spare.

As for his comments, it's not a matter of whether what he has ever said is right or wrong. I just don't like to hear that kind of stuff continually spoken to the media, especially given some of his previous comments. Keep it in house. Any statement he makes to the media isn't likely to help the on-field production, so what's the point? The risk vs. reward isn't worth it. If he was producing big time, I really wouldn't care what he said, within reason. But when a player isn't producing much, I really don't want to hear their opinions of their teammates performances. I'm sure others feel differently.
nerdmann
12 years ago
Dude's a glorified Donald Lee.

Hoping Quarless pushes him down the stretch.
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doddpower
12 years ago

Dude's a glorified Donald Lee.

Hoping Quarless pushes him down the stretch.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I think the biggest issue with Finley is many still view him or have feelings towards him as an elite tight end. He simply isn't, imo. Eventually, people will adjust their expectations, but it will likely be once he's no longer a member of the Packers. It's not a huge deal. The Packers have plenty of players that aren't "elite." There is certainly still a role for such players. For whatever reason, though, that perception lingers with Finley. Perhaps he'll be able to become an "elite" player at some point again, but I'm not overly optimistic about that.

EDIT: I know it's another pipe dream that would never happen, but I'd rather have Jared Cook Jr. of the Titans that recently requested a trade rather than Finley. He has played as good or better than Finley, and seems to have more upside at this point.
PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

If Finley can only be very productive with Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and James Jones are on the field, than that makes him an average tight end, imo. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Not all players are elite. But a truly great tight end will still produce. The rest of the Packers surrounding cast is still really good, including the guy throwing him the ball. There should be more room for Finley, but he simply doesn't get a lot of separation and has developed a pattern of untimely drops. It is what it is, but it's too bad he hasn't been able to consistently produced at the same level he showed earlier in his career.

The Packer's can easily make it by with just an average Finley, but not for long with that price tag. He's not getting paid like an average tight end, and the Packers aren't going to have much cash to spare.

As for his comments, it's not a matter of whether what he has ever said is right or wrong. I just don't like to hear that kind of stuff continually spoken to the media, especially given some of his previous comments. Keep it in house. Any statement he makes to the media isn't likely to help the on-field production, so what's the point? The risk vs. reward isn't worth it. If he was producing big time, I really wouldn't care what he said, within reason. But when a player isn't producing much, I really don't want to hear their opinions of their teammates performances. I'm sure others feel differently.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Now his value vs his price is an issue that can be looked at, its the Drops, Besides a couple games early this year, he hasn't had a drop problem, and 1/2 of those I wouldnt' even consider drops, yet it is constantly talked about.

As for his comments, people, media mostly, WANT to make them into something so they have topics to talk about. When in reality, they are nothing.
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Yerko
12 years ago

EDIT: And constant talk to the media doesn't help his case, even if it's minor comments. Just shut up and keep practicing and playing hard.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/29/jermichael-finley-disappointed-after-beating-jaguars/ 

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Unfortunately, he is right about most of these things said. He isn't doing himself any favors saying these things though. He says he isn't pointing fingers but it sure seems like it to me and I'm not so sure how the media can twist those comments exactly.

Whatever.


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Porforis
12 years ago

Now his value vs his price is an issue that can be looked at, its the Drops, Besides a couple games early this year, he hasn't had a drop problem, and 1/2 of those I wouldnt' even consider drops, yet it is constantly talked about.

As for his comments, people, media mostly, WANT to make them into something so they have topics to talk about. When in reality, they are nothing.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I agree with everything but the comment about drops. Yes, a lot of his drops are kind of borderline where the pass was either behind him, or he needed to fight for the ball. The problem is that he doesn't have speed (anymore), he isn't great at blocking, and he isn't making the hard catches (and earlier in the year, the easy catches). On top of all of that, I think people don't like the fact that he tends to "showboat" (or get excited and dance a bit) after seemingly routine plays, oftentimes not too long after he drops a manageable one. He is who he is, Clay Matthews has that kind of attitude and showboats a fair amount, although Matthews is a completely different caliber of player.

I've given James Jones tons of crap for his drops in the past, however he's never been one to draw attention to himself (intentionally or otherwise) and he HAS dramatically improved with the dropsies this year in particular. Finley was outstanding before he got hurt, I really do feel for the guy and I don't think he WANTS to draw attention and drama to himself, but he does. Some of that is on him, a lot of that is on the media for wanting to make a story about nothing, but the fact of the matter is that he is playing like an utterly average first or second string TE and he is getting paid a lot more than he is worth. That in and of itself isn't bad, people are just going to be a lot harder on a guy when he goes from very good to average versus someone very average. Perceptions about his attitude, real or imagined don't help either.

Hell, maybe I should just straight-up calling for Finley's head. It turned Jones, the special teams, and Jarret Bush around, and I'd love to have Finley make me look like an asshole.
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
Jason Witten, Rob Gronkowski, and Jimmy Graham all have more dropped passes than Jermichael Finley.
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Porforis
12 years ago

Jason Witten, Rob Gronkowski, and Jimmy Graham all have more dropped passes than Jermichael Finley.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



And I have less dropped passes than Finley, doesn't mean I have superior hands. I'm willing to bet all of the above (especially Gronkowski) have significantly more targets.
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