You're right, showing excitement even when losing can be good because it can get guys riled up and get the adrenaline going. What I have an issue with is when YOU could have prevented the team from falling behind or tacking on points by catching that 3rd down pass and then showboat on a catch later that is essentially unimportant to the outcome of the game ... that just doesn't seem right to me.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Finley talks a bigger game than he's ever shown.

Guy has all the physical talent in the world. He just doesn't have that intangible quality. And he not-so-subtly blames everything and everyone but himself, which is the difference between him and players like Driver, Jennings and Nelson. When they play bad, they don't slyly point the finger at their QB.

I'm over him. And I can only hope Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are over him, too.

Originally Posted by: TimeToThink 

I just don't think Finley should be a controversey in Green Bay. I mean if 🇲🇲 and 🇹🇹 got rid of him it wouldn't solve all our problems.

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon 

Go back and look at what Drops he has had. Yes some of them like the one in SF that was in his gut going to the ground should have been caught. But look at some of the others.

1 against Chicago, he was being held through his break and the ball gets to him right after? If the defender is holding him, he is not open and the ball should never have been thrown there. Unless Rodgers was trying for a flag instead of a completion. Pretty tough to call it a drop. And if it was not an attempt to get a flag, and Finley was the best option while being held, what does that say about the rest of the receivers being open?

Another against Chicago, he was on a full out dive. Was a tough throw and an extemely tough catch.

last week, Rodgers hits Finley on his hip, when Finley is running away from him. Terrible place to throw the ball, the defender was trailing, so a Pick was possible with that throw, and the position, made Finley twist and reach back and down to make the catch. If the ball it thrown out in front where it should be, Finley probably doesn't drop it.

Finley has only had a couple, BAD drops. The others would be great catches if he had managed.

As for his comments, if you want to take what he says as a negative, you will. It is just as easily to take them as a positive. JMike knows he needs better communication with Rodgers. He constantly says, I need to work on that, and I need to spend the time talking with him.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

It wouldn't solve any problem. People will just find somebody else to target. Bush and Hawk are still around. Jennings made his contract statement about maybe not ending up in GB.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

You know, there are an assload of players - AND COACHES - on this team who have underplayed/underperformed. Finley is not alone. Hawk has played well the last 3 games, but stunk it up to start the season in my view. Look at Bulaga! What the hell...???!!!! Jordy is dropping stuff he rarely dropped before.

I want Jermichael Finley to turn it all around. I really do. Hopefully that happens. The guy has very little leeway in my book, as a fan. He needs to turn this around. Catch catchable balls. Make good blocks. Cut down on errors. Be a go-to guy. Be dependable. Quit doing and being the opposite of this!

If he's going to keep screwing this up, trade him before the deadline.

Originally Posted by: play2win 

Trading him even if he underperforms this week is a bad idea. It would be like losing him in the 2010 season. I know we won the super bowl without him, but our teams TE play dropped off signifigantly. I just don't understand that approach, I think it would be stupid to be honest.

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon 

Gay - how old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm not asking in a condescending way by any means, but wondering if you're old enough to remember Sterling Sharpe.

Sharpe was hands down the best WR Brett Favre ever had to throw to. And no, Javon Walker wasn't even close. Sharpe was a superstar could have been the only WR to ever threaten Jerry Rice's records.

However, Favre used Sharpe TOO much and forced things to Sharpe even when he was triple covered and threw unnecessary INTs because of that.

Same thing with Finley. Note that this is NOT a knock on Finley and rather a knock on Rodgers.

When Finley went down in 2010, Rodgers started throwing to everyone, spreading the ball around, and driving opposing Defensive Coordinators nuts. He had one point in the season where 4 of 6 games were over a 130 QB rating.

In 2012, Rodgers is back to his old ways of forcing things to Finley.

And Finley is no Sterling Sharpe.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 

Yeah, he doesn't force it as much as he has in the past to Finley, but I still see him forcing it.

If anything now, I think the biggest problem with Aaron is he needs to GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!








(Sorry for screaming. It was directed at 🇦🇷, not you)

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 

Go back and look at what Drops he has had. Yes some of them like the one in SF that was in his gut going to the ground should have been caught. But look at some of the others.

1 against Chicago, he was being held through his break and the ball gets to him right after? If the defender is holding him, he is not open and the ball should never have been thrown there. Unless Rodgers was trying for a flag instead of a completion. Pretty tough to call it a drop. And if it was not an attempt to get a flag, and Finley was the best option while being held, what does that say about the rest of the receivers being open?

Another against Chicago, he was on a full out dive. Was a tough throw and an extemely tough catch.

last week, Rodgers hits Finley on his hip, when Finley is running away from him. Terrible place to throw the ball, the defender was trailing, so a Pick was possible with that throw, and the position, made Finley twist and reach back and down to make the catch. If the ball it thrown out in front where it should be, Finley probably doesn't drop it.

Finley has only had a couple, BAD drops. The others would be great catches if he had managed.

As for his comments, if you want to take what he says as a negative, you will. It is just as easily to take them as a positive. JMike knows he needs better communication with Rodgers. He constantly says, I need to work on that, and I need to spend the time talking with him.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

You're spot on. It's always puzzled me why Finley gets the tougher throws to catch than any other receiver. Seems like he's always having to catch balls in traffic or going to the ground, in double coverage or a tough back shoulder play.

I agree with him though. Him and Rodgers don't have the same chemistry as like James Jones or Jordy Nelson but some of these throws a bit ridiculous to expect to be hauled in. If Rodgers threw the ball to him while he's open I'm sure he'd catch more. I find Rodgers over looks him on quick passing plays where he's wide open over the middle and shoots the ball down the field but when Rodgers is indecisive he'll force one into Finley while he's surrounded by a ton of defenders.

Originally Posted by: Rios39 

This is a true, but a big tight end such as Finley is going to be asked to make the difficult catches. That's what truly makes a guy like him such a match up nightmare: even when they are covered, they still make catches. Tight ends by nature are going to be making a lot of catches in traffic, many in the middle of the field. It's not a situation unique to Finley, it's just the position he plays. Yes, many of the catches he's asked to make are extremely difficult. The difference between a good to great player and an average player is that the good to great player will often make those almost impossible catches.

Honestly, I almost think Rodgers has too much confidence in the guy. If he's not consistently making the tough catches, stop asking him to do so and perhaps looks elsewhere, unless he's relatively open.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 

What makes me want to keep him is how he was in 2009 and when he played in 2010. His hands were like glue back then, I don't know how he could fall so far off. You can see the frustration in his body motions after a drop.

It's not an excuse but rodgers throws a really, really hard flat fastball which is difficult to catch. I like the throws but I believe its part of the reason we have so many drops. A guy like Brees will drop a pass in lobbed in perfect placement Rodgers can deliver same placement but he fires it in like a missle. Has it's pros and cons.

Remember Driver back in 2008 saying Favre throws the ball with more touch when needed and that Rodgers will develop that, but it's still there. Last playoff in the miss TD opening drive he had jennings wide open but threw a hard fastball over his head. Jennings was wide open, if he lobbed it just a bit jennings could run under and catch it even if it was under or over thrown. In the same game he had Finley over the middle, EASY pitch and catch but I think Finley ran a 5 step slant and not a 3. He threw the ball absolutely as hard as he could and missed finley, if he took some off that'd be an easy completion, it also brings no room for error when you're firing the ball 100 MPH all the time

Originally Posted by: Rios39 

That's one of my criticisms of Aaron. Favre had both his fastball and his touch pass. Aaron just has the fastball.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 

Yes favre fixed it fairly quick cause he was making some of those throws in the sb years. His deep ball was a lot more lobbed up where as Rodgers is more flat hard and accurate

Originally Posted by: Rios39 

This is said tongue in cheek, right? Aaron Rodgers has a much better deep ball than Brett Favre ever did, but Favre had the stronger arm in his prime. Granted, when Favre got nailed, he'd settle down and had some pretty nice touch on his passes lol.


Edit, nevermind. You're talking about something different. You're saying Favre knew when to lay off the rocketball on a 10 yard pass, where Aaron just rifles it in there. That is something that Favre learned later in his career too. And yes Aaron does need to learn to do that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool