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12 years ago
These are the types of nuggets that I wish were produced by the Packers more.. give us eggheaded types a summarized look into the camp battles.


Our man Luke Stanke, the University of Minnesota graduate student who has been analyzing the results of the 1-on-1 pass rushing/pass blocking drill from Packers training camp, sent the latest figures. They are based on the Press-Gazette’s scorekeeping in the drill.

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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

These are the types of nuggets that I wish were produced by the Packers more.. give us eggheaded types a summarized look into the camp battles.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



If the Packers made such information available, wouldn't it give other teams scouts a competitive advantage?
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If the Packers made such information available, wouldn't it give other teams scouts a competitive advantage?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



How exactly? What really would it give that wouldn't be available if you sat the rail at practice?

Point is.. most of us can't hit practice daily. They aren't giving away whom the battles are against.

This cause of silence just is sometimes over hyped in my opinion.. coaches film and scouts are everywhere.. stats are held on just about everything.. why not give the fans a couple of nondescript bones.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
12 years ago

How exactly? What really would it give that wouldn't be available if you sat the rail at practice?

Point is.. most of us can't hit practice daily. They aren't giving away whom the battles are against.

This cause of silence just is sometimes over hyped in my opinion.. coaches film and scouts are everywhere.. stats are held on just about everything.. why not give the fans a couple of nondescript bones.

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Quite simple, the scout wouldn't have to travel to learn the information they can pull from the website. Seems pretty obvious to me. Granted, you'd still want a scout onsite, but then they can focus on other things rather than jotting down who won which battle.

I'm not voting against disclosing the information, I just don't see the value in the Packers using resources to do so. Especially considering maybe 3% of the fan base actually care about those numbers.
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Damn skippy that they are going to have a scout on site.. and at the games.

You have advanced statistics all over the web.. I guess I don't see the isolation of such nondescript stats being published.. they are going to keep them anyway as a team. Yearly they pulled interns from UWGB for statistics and such.. hardly a overwhelming burden to share them with the fan base.

I do agree.. relatively few would care about it.. but I for one would.

I think we complete underestimate how much other clubs know.. I guarantee they know more than any fan could dream of knowing.

I happen to think some of these is overreaction... especially if I am to swallow the NFL version that the Spygate was much about nothing.

For example.. look at Taylor's numbers.. then look at his play on the field. Don't jive.


But I would be looking at the numbers to isolate whom I want to watch in practice or preseason games.

IE.. Moses numbers back up what we hear in camp.. or shall we silence the camp reports as well. [grin1]

Which wouldn't bother me a ton.. as I don't really value their words anyway.. or should I say blindly trust their words probably is more direct.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

I think we complete underestimate how much other clubs know.. I guarantee they know more than any fan could dream of knowing.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Speak for yourself mate. I fully believe each team has feelers on every team in the division and upcoming season opponents scouring everything from practices, news reports, news articles, everything. That's how I'd do it.

I still have strong beliefs people are too uptight over the Patriots videotaping stuff. As if the information isn't readily available via film distributed freely amongst coaches already.

Personally, I'd love to be employed by the Packers to obtain information on teams. Well, actually, I'd have more fun doing that TO the Packers than FOR the Packers. The Packers are easier to follow than any other team since I have a little passion for that, lol.
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Speak for yourself mate. I fully believe each team has feelers on every team in the division and upcoming season opponents scouring everything from practices, news reports, news articles, everything. That's how I'd do it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I agree.. 100% And they probably have more information on individual players than that.. if the NFL has their noses in it.. other teams certainly get chunks of that same data.

So then again.. if they have their tentacles wrapped around each and every team.. how does this small chunk type of data provide a competitive imbalance?

IMO.. all it does is feeds a small chunk of the fanbase and inside look at camp happenings.. nothing the another team isn't going to know already.

That is my point.. it does no harm.. the Packers are charting already and it may interest a small chunk of the fanbase.. which includes me.

So get off my ass and go check if Brett is in the Hall of Fame yet.. or whether it is an opinion that he will be. [boxing]
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
If it's one thing less the other teams have to acquire on their own, it frees up those resources to investigate other issues/ideas/whatnot. That is the competitive advantage I'm speaking about.

Think of it like this. When running a business, you need someone to do marketing, advertising, accounting, etc ... if you have one person do all of that, it makes them a jack of all trades, rather than a master of one. If you hire someone for each facet, you will be more efficient and accurate.

So, anything the Packers provide that could be a benefit, is going to be one thing less other teams have to use time to do themselves. That's an advantage to the competition. Of course, unless every team is doing the same thing, which I'd give my vote for.
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BTW... I think stock holders should be able, at the very least for our piece of paper and donation to the stadium fund.. be able to have access to statistics or some other type of information. :-"
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12 years ago

BTW... I think stock holders should be able, at the very least for our piece of paper and donation to the stadium fund.. be able to have access to statistics or some other type of information. :-"

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



So you're saying you want vikesrule to have more information on the Packers than millions of other fans? [grin1]
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