Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
You have to remember that last year the Packers (and Favre in particular) feasted on two of the worst divisions in football: the NFC North and the AFC West. This year we've played the NFC South, which may send three teams to the playoffs, and the AFC South, which historically has been a powerhouse and features one of the teams with the best record in football.

The reality is, since 1996, Favre has not been clutch under pressure. In fact, he's been downright unreliable.

Here are the facts, courtesy of ColdHardFootballFacts.com :


Jan. 20, 2002

The reality: The Packers have a shot to reach the conference championship game for first time since the 1997 season if they beat Rams in the divisional round.

The Cheesehead fantasy: The 12-4 Packers were no match for the 14-2 Rams

The Cold, Hard Football Facts: The Rams edged out the 11-5 Eagles by just five points in the conference title game and lost to the 11-5 Patriots in the Super Bowl. The Packers easily could have beat the Rams if Favre had not thrown 6 picks tying the single-game NFL record for postseason picks last matched by a passer back in 1955.

Jan. 4, 2003

The reality: The 12-4 Packers were again one of the best teams in football, playing at home against the tepid 9-6-1 Falcons.

The Cheesehead fantasy: Favre walks on water.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts: Favre sinks like a lead weight, reserving one of his worst performances of the year (20 of 42, 47.6%, 247 yards, 5.9 YPA, 1 TD, 2 INT, 54.4 rating) for when it matters most in a 27-7 loss. It was Green Bay's lowest offensive output of the season and the franchises first-ever home playoff loss.

Jan. 11, 2004

The reality: The Packers need to produce just one drive in overtime to beat the Eagles and then battle the Panthers for a chance to go to Super Bowl XXXVIII.

The Cheesehead fantasy: The Green Bay Favrers defense let Brett down when they surrendered a miracle 4th and 26 completion by Donovan McNabb in the fourth quarter, allowing the Eagles to tie the game.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts: On Green Bay's first play of overtime, Favre promptly tossed a bad pass into the hands of Eagles defender Brian Dawkins. McNabb quickly drove the offense into easy field goal range for the victory. The Favrers defense disappointed Brett by sacking McNabb a mere 8 times, while the Favrers ground game failed to hold up its end of the bargain with just 210 yards and a measly average of 5.7 YPA. Favre passed for 180 yards, one of his lowest outputs of the year.

The 2005 season

The reality: The Packers suffer their first losing season in the Favre Era.

The Cheesehead fantasy: The Packers went 4-12 because Favre had no talent around him.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts: Eight times in the 2005 season, Favre took the field in the fourth quarter with his team in position to tie or take the lead and a chance for him to play the role of hero. In all eight games, he threw crushing interceptions that killed any hopes for victory. Favres 29 picks that year are the most thrown by any quarterback in the past 20 years.

The 2006 season

The reality: Packers climb back to respectability with an 8-8 record.

The Cheesehead fantasy: Favre helped the blind to see.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts: Favre had trouble focusing on the field, with a 72.7 passer rating that was among the worst in football that season. The list of quarterbacks with a better rating in 2006 included some of the most widely ridiculed passers in football: David Carr (82.1), Michael Vick (75.7), Alex Smith (74.8) and Rex Grossman (73.9)

"ColdHardFootballFacts" wrote:



Face it: Your idol had feet of clay. Last year we won several games by 7 points or less. This year we've lost several games by 7 points or less. There's no way to know whether we'd have a better record this year with Favre, and his past performance indicates we probably wouldn't.

For the record: I'm a diehard Packers fan who jumped off the Favre bandwagon long before this season. I was happy when the Packers moved on to Rodgers, and I still am. I am looking forward to a better season next year.

I can dream, anyway.
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Pack93z
16 years ago
Watch the last two weeks of Jets football..... both teams look strikingly similar right now..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
Which two teams? This year's Packers and Jets or this year's Jets and last year's Packers?
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jdlax
16 years ago
This is random, but I'm getting a kick out of thinking about how the people who write something like "that's just a bunch of dribble" will have no idea what the original poster's username means. Just an observation from way up on my high horse.
millertime
16 years ago
interesting post.

still favre helped the jets double their win total from last season.

can't forget all the facts!
Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
Favre helped, yes. So did all the other high-priced talent they brought in on the offensive line and defense in a desperate attempt to save the GM and head coach's jobs.

Can't forget all the facts!
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CDNRodgersfan
16 years ago
I'm a Rodgers backer and won't bssh him but I still think it's hard to believe Favre wouldn't of added a few wins but there's no way of ever knowing so who cares. All those stats show me is how often Brett has led this team to the playoffs. I stated in another thread I don't defend Brett for last years playoff loss but other then that dumb ot throw against Philly Brett carried that team all season and playoffs and they didn't help him out enough till eventually he screwed up like all QB's have. Look at Peyton Manning, everyone considers him so great and yet probably no ones been a worse playoff performer.
Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
How can you say they didn't help him enough? His runningbacks ran for over 200 yards and his defense sacked the quarterback 8 times. What more can you ask?
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tano1998
16 years ago
120M dollars in contract, to Faneca, Favre and more people....the Packers are 20M under the cap....
if the Pack put 120M in veterans, we can go to the SB....you can imagine,
2 OL, 2 DL and 1 LB in free agency for next year (and a Defensive Coordinator) and they can make it happen
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CDNRodgersfan
16 years ago
I was thinking more of the Philly game then the season in general. Green tripping on a linemen on 4th and goal. Of course giving up 4th and 26. Not that I really want to debate all this stuff as I'm a Favre fanatic but still fully support Rodgers. I don't have a problem with how things are
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