Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Formo, hell hath frozen over, but the Vikings did outplay the Saints that game, in every facet. But they did shoot their own foot off and to their credit, the Saints took full advantage.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I don't remember the Vikings outplaying the Saints, but I do recall the Vikings shooting themselves in the foot a few times an the Saints taking advantage.

Officials make bad calls, miss calls, etc ... whining about that is just sour grapes. I can understand the Vikings fans making excuses though, it was the closest they've been to a Super Bowl in a very long time and they won't be getting that close any time soon.

I'd be grabbing the boxes of Kleenex as well. Sniff. Sniff.




If you honestly think anyone hear is making excuses, you sir, are a moron.

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See what I did hear, err I mean here? See it? See it? Do ya?? Do ya????
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Formo
12 years ago



See what I did hear, err I mean here? See it? See it? Do ya?? Do ya????

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Nope. Only thing I see is a moron. ๐Ÿ™‚
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dfosterf
12 years ago
The only reason the Vikings fans are still obsessing about that Saints game is because it really mattered. They are so very unused to that and have absolutely no idea as to how to act.

It wasn't even a Super Bowl, for God's sake. I think they STILL haven't figured that part out.

Jared Allen should have never said he wanted to put his helmet in Aaron Rodger's spine. Karma is a complete pure bitch, I keep tellin' everyone.

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Pack93z
12 years ago
One.. depending on how the "bounty" was intended (injure vs smack him hard) I may or may not have a huge issue with the notion of a friendly wager in the locker room.

If they are betting whom gets more picks, tackles, decleaters... I have zero issue with it.

If they are placing money on knocking someone out of the game or worse.. well then I think it clearly is over the line.

I give two pinches less the opponent.. Vikes, Bears, Patriots, hell even the Cowboys.. it should be dealt with and post haste.



That said.. the NFL is chickenshit and will not properly penalize the Saints.. just like it let Billy the Cheat and the Pats skate.

They might lay the hammer down on the players and asst coaches.. but the good ol' boy network will prevail at the franchise level. Too much money is at stake to deal with it properly.


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Packers_Finland
12 years ago
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/06/saints-defender-after-favre-injury-pay-me-my-money/ 

In a must-read account of the Saintsโ€™ three-season bounty system, Peter King of Sports Illustrated shares plenty of intriguing and compelling details. MDS already has highlighted portions of the article relating to Roger Goodellโ€™s reaction to the situation and linebacker Scott Fujitaโ€™s position on the subject. But thereโ€™s even more good stuff.

During the 2009 NFC title game, which both sparked the leagueโ€™s investigation and served as the most obvious example of assault and battery of an opposing quarterback, King writes that, after an unflagged high-low hit on Brett Favre resulted in a sprained ankle, an unnamed Saints defender was heard saying on an on-field microphone, โ€œPay me my money!โ€

(We know what youโ€™re thinking: The league killed Mondayโ€™s re-air of the game on NFL Network because the comment could be heard during the broadcast. Apparently, however, it was a different microphone.)

King also explains that defensive end Anthony Hargrove can be heard saying, โ€œFavre is out of the game! Favre is done! Favre is done!โ€

Both statements would be strong circumstantial proof of the existence of a bounty program, if the NFL hadnโ€™t already found that the bounty program existed. And King spells out the weekly routine that unfolded during the 2009 season, defensive coordinator Gregg Williamsโ€™ first in New Orleans.

On Saturday night, Williams handed out in a defensive meeting envelopes containing payments for big plays and inflicted injuries from the prior Sunday. And the defenders would then chant, โ€œGive it back! Give it back! Give it back!โ€ Many did, which caused the pile of available cash to keep growing.

The bounty system continued even after, as King explains in the Tuesday edition of his MMQB column, former Vikings coach Brad Childress sent to the league video of eight different hits on Favre from that game, the Vikings officially alleged that the Saints had put a bounty on Favre, and Williams, linebackers coach Joe Vitt, and Hargrove denied (i.e., lied about) its existence to investigators. For Williams, the denials (i.e., lies) continued through the middle of February 2012, when Williams was confronted with evidence implicating him as the โ€œringleader.โ€ Williams, per King, once again tried to deny it, but Williams then met with Goodell to confess.

Williams was back in New York on Monday, possibly to confess yet again (after possibly denying/lying yet again) his involvement in bounty systems in other cities.

King thinks the punishment issued to the Saints and various individuals will โ€œlikely dwarfโ€ the penalties meted out for Spygate. The more we learn about the situation, the less surprising that will be.

"Mike Florio wrote:



Really, screaming "pay me my money" after injuring someone? That's pretty damn pathetic. I still don't think that the Saints wouldn't have won without the bounty system but morally this is about as low as you can get on a football field.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
I say scratch out the Saints in the history books and remove the Lombardi and Halas Trophy's!
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zombieslayer
12 years ago

One.. depending on how the "bounty" was intended (injure vs smack him hard) I may or may not have a huge issue with the notion of a friendly wager in the locker room.

If they are betting whom gets more picks, tackles, decleaters... I have zero issue with it.

If they are placing money on knocking someone out of the game or worse.. well then I think it clearly is over the line.


Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Bolded by me. I'm fine with wagers for tackles, sacks, interceptions, etc. I'm not fine with wagers for injuries. That's pretty fucking sick.

I finally read the SI article in print because it was in my wife's chiropractor's office. I'd like to see the Saints get fined and lose a draft pick or two.
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Formo
12 years ago
As a Vikings fan, the only punishment I would want was to turn back time and replay that game. If they can't do that.. Then no punishment is worthy enough. lol
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

As a Vikings fan, the only punishment I would want was to turn back time and replay that game. If they can't do that.. Then no punishment is worthy enough. lol

Originally Posted by: Formo 



lol you think Brett Favre is going to do a better job with a walker as he takes the snaps? ๐Ÿ˜› And Adrian Peterson recovering from an ACL?
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Formo
12 years ago

lol you think Brett Favre is going to do a better job with a walker as he takes the snaps? ๐Ÿ˜› And Adrian Peterson recovering from an ACL?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



No, I actually meant 'Back to the Future' type mojo. Which is obviously not possible. Thus, no punishment is worthy. IMO
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
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