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dyeah_gb
Member

12 years ago

Patriots lost a 1st rounder for the whole spygate fiasco. I wonder if the Saints will get an equivalent punishment.

Goddel has claimed that he cares about player safety so logic would indicate that he would lay down the hammer. I don't think Goddel's moral or professional interests are in line with this view though so probably not much will happen.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

Formo
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#12

Are we to believe that a little red squiggly line didn't appear under the word "trophey" when he was typing that post?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

lol I thought about fixing that before posting here, but frankly, I don't care about his misspellings and was too lazy to worry that much about it.

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Formo
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#13

I think those calling for the NFL to strip them of the Lombardi are insane. Whether their defense tried to hurt opposing players or not, they we're still the best team in the league that year. The trophy is theirs.

Dock a draft pick or two if something has to be done.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland

How were they the best team in the league that year? Because they ended with the hardware? Ok, fair argument. But then I present to you a case where if they DIDN'T take out QBs illegally, they don't win the hardware. That would leave quite a conundrum for you, wouldn't it?

My point (and the quoted poster's as well) was why even bother bringing this up? It will accomplish nothing but more controversy between fanbases.

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Packers_Finland
Registered

12 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: Formo

I wish someone would compile a list of QBs the Saints injured that year. I don't think they injured very many. And if they did, if there's no flag, then there's no foul, players can be injured with clean hits too.

I just don't understand why some people think this is such an advantage. Players try to hit other players hard regardless of whether there's a bounty system in place. It's hardly the equivalent of spying the other teams signals. This is just playing dirty.

The Saints should be punished. But they were the best team that year.

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Wade
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#15

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland

I don't think I agree.

My guess is they would have beat the Cardinals regardless. But I think Favre and the Vikings would have beat them. I don't know if the Vikings would have beat Manning & Co. I would like to say no, but who knows. But I remember worrying that this might be the Vikings year.

And I definitely remember thinking at the time that (a) the Saints looked more like thugs every time I saw them play and (b) that without that thuggery the Vikings would probably have won by a couple touchdowns.

Do I think Goodell will take the Katrina trophy away. No. Not a chance. They'll be able to display the thing forever.

But I do think this should taint the Saints "wins" that year. Every last one of them.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

DakotaT
Select Member

12 years ago

#16

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cts=1330956347929&ved=0CDsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Flibrary.findlaw.com%2F2003%2FMay%2F15%2F132747.html&ei=HMhUT-LdBdPDgAeFqaTuDQ&usg=AFQjCNG9Tp915CYQo_9EMrZDvFDc9hifaQ&sig2=ga5wlmy9axrD32z733yzzw

I've watched Gregg Williams defenses and I would call them all dirty. I also have the same feeling when I watch the Ravens and Steelers.

And as big of a diva douchebag as Favre turned out to be, he played his ass off that whole game - and when most other quarterbacks would have called it a day, he played on. That's why football fans have always loved the guy.

Wade
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#17

I remember ridiculing Stewart's opinion when I was in law school.

I've since realized that his approach was closer to appropriate than the other justices. Unlike Brennan, White, et al, he recognized that the line between "obscene" and "non-obscene" was inherently vague. He didn't have the other justice's hubris. He didn't believe that it was possible to draw fine lines between limp dicks and erections.

And, I believe, he also recognized that line drawing on vague concepts helps no one except the lawyers and others who recognize that vagueness+line-drawing provides an opportunity to manipulate the rules to their benefit ("everyone does it").

That's why the legalistic approach is so limited. If you try to get a rule that fits everything, including the vague bits, if you try to get perfect justice, all you do is reduce justice to a case of who can afford the best lawyers.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

DakotaT
Select Member

12 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: Wade

But clusterring up the system so that everything fits takes forever and opens the door for the unrighteous cash is king overlords to rule everything. And it is also why we have jokes like "what do you call 10 attorneys at the bottome of the ocean?" A good start.

Football is no different than life, money will control all decisions - and the Minnesota Vikings are at the very bottom of the pecking order. No trophies for them, and Saints got away with murder, because Vince now resides in their trophy case forever.

Packers_Finland
Registered

12 years ago

#19

My guess is they would have beat the Cardinals regardless. But I think Favre and the Vikings would have beat them. I don't know if the Vikings would have beat Manning & Co. I would like to say no, but who knows. But I remember worrying that this might be the Vikings year.

Originally Posted by: Wade

Favre wasn't knocked out of the game though, and he wasn't hit illegally as far as I remember. So how would it have been different without bounties? They would've still played hard and hit hard.

I don't think the bounties improve a team's performance. The only effect I could see it having is if they hit opposing players illegally and they got hurt as a result. That didn't happen.

People should stop acting like bounties are some magical performance enhancing substances.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#20

Bounties end up take your focus off your responsibilities. They do not help your team win. Every member on a team has a role, a responsibility, a task at hand if you're more worried about banking an extra $200 by hitting someone so hard they leave the game... your focus is lost.

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