RedSoxExcel
13 years ago
I am noticing a lot of chatter on other boards (e.g., ESPN) about how the Packers 2011 are better than the Pats 2007. What do you guys think? I think its all a bit premature but since we don't really have anything to complain or argue about lately, might as well make it this!

The Packers schedule is kind of weak IMO. That is the why the comparisons between the Pats 2007 v. Packers 2011 seem kind of off to me. The Pats that year, I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, played the Colts, the Ravens, the Chargers, the Cowboys, the Giants, the Eagles and Steelers, who all made the playoffs (and I think the Browns and Bengals were good that year too and they played them too). The Packers 2011 quality wins are the Saints, the Lions, the Bears, the Falcons and Giants with our AFC opponent being the AFC West (we played the Broncos, the only decent team when they were crap).

Perfection is perfection certainly but I think the Pats 2007 comparisons are off (at least in the regular season). It is not the Packers fault that the schedule is weak and I think the Pats were in closer games than the Packers were but I think if you strictly are judging the better regular season team, I'd say the Pats just because to beat all those teams is pretty darn impressive. I think offenses are pretty similar between the two but I think their D was better.

But if the Packers win the Super Bowl and are 19-0, they are without a doubt the better team as they did it and the Pats could not. So I think that will really end the whole debate. And I don't see any reason why we are not at least in the Super Bowl. The NFC is weak, the only semi-threat I can think of is the Giants and they might not even make the playoffs. I think its a cakewalk to the Super Bowl but we will slug it out there as it will probably be the Ravens, Steelers or Pats.

I can't believe we're even talking 19-0 right now, I still remember this board after we lost to the Lions and the Pats last year in Week 13 and 14!
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RedSoxExcel
13 years ago
Actually the Bears too as for some reason they seem to play well against Rodgers. I was so happy to see them get Tebow'd as I really don't want to see them in the playoffs with a healthy Cutler. But the chances of them making it now are pretty low.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
The Patriots weren't in many close games that year. They were blowing teams out. I haven't done the numbers, but I think their schedule was weaker than the Packers'.
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azrunning
13 years ago
Bill Belichick (sp?) was in total FU mode to the league that year because of the videotaping stuff. So he was blowing people out and still had his foot on the gas late in games when the outcome was already decided. McCarthy prefers to run the ball and burn the clock late in games. That is why the 2007 patriot stats are so high.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Bill Belichick (sp?) was in total FU mode to the league that year because of the videotaping stuff. So he was blowing people out and still had his foot on the gas late in games when the outcome was already decided. McCarthy prefers to run the ball and burn the clock late in games. That is why the 2007 patriot stats are so high.

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mi_keys
13 years ago

I am noticing a lot of chatter on other boards (e.g., ESPN) about how the Packers 2011 are better than the Pats 2007. What do you guys think? I think its all a bit premature but since we don't really have anything to complain or argue about lately, might as well make it this!

The Packers schedule is kind of weak IMO. That is the why the comparisons between the Pats 2007 v. Packers 2011 seem kind of off to me. The Pats that year, I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, played the Colts, the Ravens, the Chargers, the Cowboys, the Giants, the Eagles and Steelers, who all made the playoffs (and I think the Browns and Bengals were good that year too and they played them too). The Packers 2011 quality wins are the Saints, the Lions, the Bears, the Falcons and Giants with our AFC opponent being the AFC West (we played the Broncos, the only decent team when they were crap).

Perfection is perfection certainly but I think the Pats 2007 comparisons are off (at least in the regular season). It is not the Packers fault that the schedule is weak and I think the Pats were in closer games than the Packers were but I think if you strictly are judging the better regular season team, I'd say the Pats just because to beat all those teams is pretty darn impressive. I think offenses are pretty similar between the two but I think their D was better.

But if the Packers win the Super Bowl and are 19-0, they are without a doubt the better team as they did it and the Pats could not. So I think that will really end the whole debate. And I don't see any reason why we are not at least in the Super Bowl. The NFC is weak, the only semi-threat I can think of is the Giants and they might not even make the playoffs. I think its a cakewalk to the Super Bowl but we will slug it out there as it will probably be the Ravens, Steelers or Pats.

I can't believe we're even talking 19-0 right now, I still remember this board after we lost to the Lions and the Pats last year in Week 13 and 14!

Originally Posted by: RedSoxExcel 



The Pats did play those teams but Baltimore was 5-11 and Philly were only 8-8. That year the Patriots strength of schedule was .469 (.500 in games not against the Pats) and ours this year is .446 (.484 in games not against the Pack). With games against the Chiefs, Bears, and Lions it would raise to .459 if you throw them in. There really isn't a material difference from that sense. The Pats played more strong teams but more atrocious teams as well (no other team in their division had a winning record and the Dolphins were 1-15).
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RedSoxExcel
13 years ago
Yeah, just looked it up, I was thinking of the Redskins who were 9-7 and the Pats beat them 52-7.

I was not thinking of strength of schedule in terms of records because I am not sure if that factors in everything. Like the Broncos may be 8-5 and finish 11-5 but when we played them, they were not a 11-5 team.

I was just thinking more just generally which schedule is harder, would you rather play a bunch of okay teams like the Lions or Bears or play crappy teams but mix those in with the Colts, Steelers, (13-3) Cowboys, etc. I think if you just wanted to make the playoffs, you'd want the latter because it guarantees you 6 division wins but to go 16-0, I think its harder with the Pats schedule. But that's just IMO.
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13 years ago
I can't split hairs to say which team had it easier. Any team that goes 16-0 deserves the recognition. New Eng did it. Hopefully GB will too. To me it doesn't matter which teams they played. Any given week one team can beat the other. The woeful Tampa team did it to GB a couple of years ago. Sometimes those trap games can be more difficult if the favored team comes out flat.
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DoddPower
13 years ago
The Pats were definitely playing to score as many points as possible every game. We are definitely not doing that necessarily, so comparing anything based on the score is not possible. They had a much more cut throat attitude and were fairly lucky injury wise. I have no doubt we could score as much as them or more if we were still trying to score touch downs with ~4 minutes left with a multiple score lead; just a difference in philosophies. Hopefully our story ends much better than the Pats, regardless of schedule, points scored, etc. None of that means anything, but a undefeated championship season would. Actually, I don't even really care about the undefeated season. Just give me the championship.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

The Pats were definitely playing to score as many points as possible every game. We are definitely not doing that necessarily,...

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Considering how awful the Packers defense is, they should be trying to score as many points as possible every game. Err how the Packers defense is the worst in history!!!

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