Oh, I know where you stand. Just when you posted your comments, you did so in a slanted manner and those who DON'T know where you stand would assume you're on the far left.

Not sure who you and ZS mean by neo-cons, but I consider myself a moderate to strong conservative and a Tea Party idealist and I would never pass this bill.

BTW, isn't Ronny Paul a republican? =)

Originally Posted by: Formo 

Detlev, I felt far freer in Germany than I ever do in America. It certainly is ironic that for all their frothing at the mouth against socialism, conservatives are much quicker to deny basic, everyday freedoms than socialists are.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

(first words on our Constitution that we are endowed are "LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit...").

Originally Posted by: Formo 

As much as I agree with that sentiment, and as noble as those words are, that phrase does not in fact appear in the Constitution.
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

Correct, my mistake. My dyslexia confused the Constitution with the Declaration.

Originally Posted by: Formo 

Just giving you a wee bit of shite, my friend.[boxing]

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

And I'd have to agree with Wade as well, although I do think the Constitution is important as well.

Originally Posted by: Formo 

- The bill passed by Congress absolutely DOES NOT exempt citizens. Section 1031 reads, "A covered person under this section" includes "any person who has committed a belligerent act". We only have to be ACCUSED, because we don't get a trial.

- Confusingly, Obama threatened a veto for 1032, but NOT 1031. 1032 is UNRELATED to imprisoning citizens without a trial. Obama has never suggested using a veto to stop Section 1031 citizen imprisonment. In fact, applying Section 1031 to citizens was requested by the Obama administration: See the video proof here.

- The Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) is dangerously misleading. Don't be fooled: In the text of 1031(e), "Nothing in this section shall be construed...", the only word that matters is "construed" -- the Supreme Court are the only ones with the power to construe the law. The Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) permits citizens to be imprisoned without evidence or a trial forever, if the Supreme Court does not EXPLICITLY repeal 1031.

- Any time you hear the words, "requirement for military custody" this refers to 1032 NOT 1031. We MUST not confuse these two sections. In its statements, the Obama administration has actually contributed to the confusion about 1032's "requirement for military custody", which is COMPLETEY UNRELATED to Section 1031 citizen imprisonment without trial. These tricky, misleading words appear even in major news stories. Don't fall for it!