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13 years ago

Or what if he returned in 108 yards for a TD?

Remember Randall Cobb earlier this year? He was supposed to take a knee. Luckily for us, God intervened and told him to run it out. Maybe God told Shields to do the same, but someone missed a block.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 




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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Or what if he returned in 108 yards for a TD?

Remember Randall Cobb earlier this year? He was supposed to take a knee. Luckily for us, God intervened and told him to run it out. Maybe God told Shields to do the same, but someone missed a block.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



God didn't tell Randall Cobb to take it out. He was referring to his faith.

When returning a kick, you receive the ball with no potential defender within 10+ yards typically 10+ yards. This gives the returner options.

When returning an interception from the end zone (where the offense was within the 20 yard line) and not having momentum going towards your end zone with several defenders near by ... it's simply not beneficial at all to try an run it out. Not to mention the game was well in hand at that point.



To answer your question. Even if he returned it for a 100+ yard touchdown, my feelings would be the same. As indicated by me saying "get down get down" after he made the interception. Simply put, it was not a wise decision. Now if the Packers were down by 5 and it was the last play of the game, by all means, run that shiznit out!


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13 years ago

God didn't tell Randall Cobb to take it out.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Zero2Cool
13 years ago

God didn't tell Randall Cobb to take it out. He was referring to his faith.

Originally Posted by: get_louder_at_lambeau 




[quote=Randall Cobb ]When I said God told me to bring the ball out (on his 108-yard kickoff return for a touchdown against the Saints), I wasn’t necessarily saying that He told me that, but I meant it in the sense that I’m faith-driven. Whenever I feel something inside telling me to do something, I feel like that urge is coming from my Savior, and that’s Him pushing me to do something. So I follow His commands because I feel like He’s leading me in the right direction.

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zombieslayer
13 years ago

An all powerful God that determines the performance of football players wouldn’t allow a missed block.

Silentio, MDiv.

Originally Posted by: Silentio 



Well, you're assuming God is all-powerful.

You're also assuming that if God is all-powerful, he doesn't allow free will of the other 10 guys.

Let's just go with the latter scenario. One of the 10 guys missed his block.

(God doesn't care about the Rams and He hates the Vikings).




On a serious note, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. Not really defending what Shields' did. I love INT returns, but he had a split second decision to see if he had blockers. He made the wrong choice, obviously. It's a lot easier to make that decision when you're watching the game than playing it. My last sentence needs to be considered.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Split second?? lol ... He ran about 10 or so yards East/West in the end zone before getting popped!! I know he's fast, but cah mon!
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13 years ago

On a serious note, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. Not really defending what Shields' did. I love INT returns, but he had a split second decision to see if he had blockers. He made the wrong choice, obviously. It's a lot easier to make that decision when you're watching the game than playing it. My last sentence needs to be considered.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Nah, it was a horrible decision, plain and simple. It IS possible to be aggressive without being foolhardy. That's the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre. Or, to put it another way, it's the difference between Favre with Holmgren and Favre post-Holmgren.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Well, you're assuming God is all-powerful.

You're also assuming that if God is all-powerful, he doesn't allow free will of the other 10 guys.

Let's just go with the latter scenario. One of the 10 guys missed his block.

(God doesn't care about the Rams and He hates the Vikings).

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



That all depends on if you believe in Calvinism or Armenianism.

One believes that free will is an illusion and from God's point of view, nothing happens without His direct control and all of time has already happened from His perspective. That is what all powerful and all knowing means. He knows everything down to infinite detail and controls everything to an infinite degree throughout the length and breadth of time. Nothing is by chance and everything means something in the infinite picture. We are just to finite to see it.

The other is you have to make the choice because God decided we get free will and we are allowed to chose ourselves over Him.

It doesn't absolve us from having to make that personal choice. It is only from Gods perspective that the difference would be relevant. From a practical standpoint, either way we still have to make the choice so it doesn't let us off the hook. It is just that even in making that choice, the Calvinists give the credit to God.

So God doesn't hate the Vikings. They just need character forged through the fires of adversity. Since God made them slow learners, it is taking them a while.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

That all depends on if you believe in Calvinism or Armenianism.

One believes that free will is an illusion and from God's point of view, nothing happens without His direct control and all of time has already happened from His perspective. That is what all powerful and all knowing means. He knows everything down to infinite detail and controls everything to an infinite degree throughout the length and breadth of time. Nothing is by chance and everything means something in the infinite picture. We are just to finite to see it.

The other is you have to make the choice because God decided we get free will and we are allowed to chose ourselves over Him.

It doesn't absolve us from having to make that personal choice. It is only from Gods perspective that the difference would be relevant. From a practical standpoint, either way we still have to make the choice so it doesn't let us off the hook. It is just that even in making that choice, the Calvinists give the credit to God.

So God doesn't hate the Vikings. They just need character forged through the fires of adversity. Since God made them slow learners, it is taking them a while.

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Damn I love this site. This takes me back to the arguments we had in Western Religions in college. Good stuff.

However, I have studied this site:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/ 

There is no logical explanation for the Vikings not having a SB win. So using Occam's Razor, God hates the Vikings. It's the least absurd of all the other explanations.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
Alright. Back to the Shields argument.

"He should've come out the same way, the place that he caught it, instead of trying to reverse field."

His Excellency Charles Woodson wrote:



Read into this any way you want. How I'm reading into it is that Shields should have run the ball out, but should have just turned around instead of trying to reverse field.

I don't have a tape of the game. Woodson does. I'm assuming Woodson saw what our blockers did and where a route was.
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