Zero2Cool
13 years ago
The IRS knows everything about you. That is not true. On several aspects, they know nothing about me.
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DakotaT
13 years ago


Poor folk won't notice much of a difference.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



This is where you FUBAR your whole argument amigo. Since they aren't paying anything now, you want to make them pay 25% tax on their consumption goods.

Trust me, even you won't come out ahead. The only thing you gain is privacy.

National sales tax is for simpletons who don't know shit about anything. This does not include, which is why I'm confused as to why you would be for it.

No, tax reform needs to start with punishing Corporation who take their operations overseas, closing all loopholes, and rewarding American corporations who stuck it out through the tough times.

Then you take the guillotine to all the Wall Street thieves, gut them and the filthy rich who have done nothing but looted and stole for centuries. Take all that money and start over.

I know I'm a radical asshole, but I'm so sick of how it is now, that I can't stand it. The young generation coming up now, hopefully will make those hippies look like a bunch of nothing.

Back on topic - I could care less about gay marriage - legalize it along with hooch.
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13 years ago

Well....here we go......if you believe the Bible is the word of God, then you should be against gay sex.
And yes, it is a choice. You can choose NOT to have sex with someone of the same sex as you.
Just as someone that has sexual feelings towards children, or barn animals. You can act on the impulses, or not.
If a woman has a "choice" whether or not to kill or not kill her unborn child, you think a person can't make a choice as far as acting on their sexual impulses?
Like most everything in our lives, we make choices.

By the way, i don't hate gay people. I hate their sin.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Well, yes and no.

1. Sodom and Gomorrah were places of sin, but not because of particular choices of dangly bit behavior. It was their idolatry of sex. Just like, alas, my heterosexual lusting after Jessica Biel is sinful. Homosexuality that puts the homosexual relationship "above God" is sinful. Homosexuality that places more emphasis on loving the human lover than on loving God is sinful.

2. But even to the extent that what they do is "sinful", it's not my place or yours to hate their sin. That's God's job, and God's job alone.

I have too much sin of my own to hate. If I spend time hating someone else's, then I'm not going to be hating mine enough. If I'm spending time judging the choices of others -- whether I'm judging the others directly, or just their choices -- then I'm doing something other than putting Him first in my life. I'm saying to Him that I don't trust Him with the salvation of others. I'm saying to Him that I don't really have to strive with all my heart and all my mind and all my soul to love Him, that I've got time to do this judging and hating thing, too.

Which, of course, is blasphemy.

My job, and yours, is to believe in Him. Not to return to the world before Christ and emphasize this or that part of the Law. Without the Gospel, we're damned regardless of what sexual practices we do or do not follow; with faith in the Gospel made man, died, and resurrected, we're cleansed of all sexual sins.

Key words, of course, are "with faith." We have to believe, in our hearts, that what we are striving toward first and foremost and always is loving as He would have us love. But if I do that, the fact that I get this or that "rule" wrong or not isn't going to matter one whit to God. As long as I'm trying to satisfy Him, my sins are forgiven.

That's the problem with a lot of homosexuals. (And, ahem, a lot of non-homosexuals.) They aren't really trying to please Him. They're focusing only on what pleases them.

The gay dude who says "I don't care what God says" is damned. So is the hetero guy who says "I can do whatever I want because God has forgiven all my sins."

But deciding that damnation, that's still God's job. I don't have what it takes to do that kind of judging. Even for myself, much less for someone else.

Lucky for me, lucky for all of us, there is no scorecard or grade book any more. Or, rather, there's only one test on which we are going to be graded, and its strictly pass/fail grading: "Do you believe and strive to please Him above all?" If you do, you're in regardless of how and where you fall short in practice. If you don't, you can obey all the Old Testament rules of sex and diet and all the rest, and you're still toast.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Wade
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13 years ago

All your doing is thinking with your own interests. The goverenment gives child credits to help parents in the difficult years. Think of it as investing in future taxpayers if your brain can't comprehend the concept.

The National Sales Tax concepts puts more burden on poor people, again you are selfishly only thinking of yourself. Consumption taxes are all regressive taxes.

What else do you have there, Deep Thoughts Zombie?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



And why should you, or the government, or anyone else, decide who I invest in and who I shouldn't invest in?

I have made certain choices over the years because I do not want a child and the responsibilities it entails. Why should I have to pay for those who have chosen otherwise? Did I get the benefits that go along with the choice to have children -- e.g., the sex with the child's parents? the chores the kids did around the house, the people to bitch at when I needed someone handy? No. I got none of those things. Nor do I deserve any of them.

Any more than I 'deserve' to pay for your child credits.

Damn straight I'm thinking of myself. If you want me to think of someone else, then make it worth my while enough that I'm willing to do so. Otherwise keep your effing hands off me and my ill- and not-so-ill-gotten wealth.

This is why I refuse to debate whether a sales tax is regressive or not. That's a second-order question, one that only comes up *after* the important question, and the one I refuse to concede, the question about whether involuntary appropriation of wealth (i.e. taxation) is justified.

And until someone answers *that* question to my satisfaction, my answer to the proponents of new national sales taxes, state sales taxes, or any income tax of any kind by anyone, is the same.

KYFHO.



And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
What if what the gay dude says, is different than what the gay dude feels? Perhaps he's saying that for different reasons and hiding his real beliefs?
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DakotaT
13 years ago

And why should you, or the government, or anyone else, decide who I invest in and who I shouldn't invest in?

I have made certain choices over the years because I do not want a child and the responsibilities it entails. Why should I have to pay for those who have chosen otherwise? Did I get the benefits that go along with the choice to have children -- e.g., the sex with the child's parents? the chores the kids did around the house, the people to bitch at when I needed someone handy? No. I got none of those things. Nor do I deserve any of them.

Any more than I 'deserve' to pay for your child credits.

Damn straight I'm thinking of myself. If you want me to think of someone else, then make it worth my while enough that I'm willing to do so. Otherwise keep your effing hands off me and my ill- and not-so-ill-gotten wealth.

This is why I refuse to debate whether a sales tax is regressive or not. That's a second-order question, one that only comes up *after* the important question, and the one I refuse to concede, the question about whether involuntary appropriation of wealth (i.e. taxation) is justified.

And until someone answers *that* question to my satisfaction, my answer to the proponents of new national sales taxes, state sales taxes, or any income tax of any kind by anyone, is the same.

KYFHO.


Originally Posted by: Wade 




Well since the gloves are off - I'm not touching your ill gotten wealth, just transfering to those that suffer. It can all be done electronically.

And as far as choosing to go childless in your life - what on earth were you put here for? That is one of your duties as a human being, and I am quite insulted by those that shirk the responsibility.

Doesn't mean you're not my favorite Iowan.
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13 years ago

What if what the gay dude says, is different than what the gay dude feels? Perhaps he's saying that for different reasons and hiding his real beliefs?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Which of his beliefs are real is between him and God.

I only know that I believe God doesn't want *me* to hide my beliefs.

I know it's impossible to hide what's real from God. But I also know that I can and have and likely will again hide it from myself and from others. As long as I don't consciously try to hide the bad bits with God or otherwise try, by hiding or declaring, to negotiate "extra" from God, I'm convinced he's good with my falling short. Heck, he foregave Peter three outright denials.

The only thing that matters re: the gay guy is how he acts toward God.






And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
DakotaT
13 years ago



This is why I refuse to debate whether a sales tax is regressive or not. That's a second-order question, one that only comes up *after* the important question, and the one I refuse to concede, the question about whether involuntary appropriation of wealth (i.e. taxation) is justified.

And until someone answers *that* question to my satisfaction, my answer to the proponents of new national sales taxes, state sales taxes, or any income tax of any kind by anyone, is the same.

KYFHO.


Originally Posted by: Wade 




I don't get what is so difficult about paying income taxes to a country that provides you freedom, protection, modern civilization and all those perks? What don't you get? You won the sperm lottery Wade - you weren't born Somalian or some other third world cess pool. Guess what, so did I, but I never bitch about my obligations.
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Wade
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13 years ago

Well since the gloves are off - I'm not touching your ill gotten wealth, just transfering to those that suffer. It can all be done electronically.

And as far as choosing to go childless in your life - what on earth were you put here for? That is one of your duties as a human being, and I am quite insulted by those that shirk the responsibility.

Doesn't mean you're not my favorite Iowan.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 




People have been put on earth for purposes other than bearing children See Mother Theresa. See Thomas Merton.

As for the personal question, actually, I'm not quite sure what I was put on earth for. And, to be honest, there has been more than a few times when I've wished God was more clear about the answer.

And, alas, far more times when I've shirked my responsibilities.

And "those who suffer"....they don't deserve my wealth any more than you do.

[grin1]


Of course, there's always the question of whether *I* deserve it any more, either.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
DakotaT
13 years ago

People have been put on earth for purposes other than bearing children See Mother Theresa. See Thomas Merton.

As for the personal question, actually, I'm not quite sure what I was put on earth for. And, to be honest, there has been more than a few times when I've wished God was more clear about the answer.

And, alas, far more times when I've shirked my responsibilities.

And "those who suffer"....they don't deserve my wealth any more than you do.

[grin1]


Of course, there's always the question of whether *I* deserve it any more, either.

Originally Posted by: Wade 




See I don't wonder about these things. I know I don't deserve all I have, even though I worked for everything. I was given many gifts by whomever, and I squandered a lot of them. I should have a lot more to show for my life than I do.

What did happen though was that I was given opportunities to see the world through eyes other than the golden boy I once was. I got to wallow through alcoholism, depression, abuse, poverty, and now cancer with Mia. I don't view myself as above anyone, but I've been armed with some serious life experience that's given me some wisdom you only get through life experience. I tear Republicans new assholes in debates and I don't even fuck around with stuff like tact anymore. My Republican friends don't even bring up that shit anymore. We just talk about the old days and football. They know better than to whine to me.
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