Cobb's TD return on ESPN Sport Science

macbob
Veteran Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

Cobb's TD return was on ESPN's Sports Science this week. Don't know how much of it is actually science, but I enjoyed the video. I think the way his left leg was coming around he was likely to remain on his feet even if Kuhn hadn't been there to 'assist'.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

This guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Kuhn provided virtually no assistance to Cobb. Cobb would have made the TD return without Kuhn's help. [happy]

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

This guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Kuhn provided virtually no assistance to Cobb. Cobb would have made the TD return without Kuhn's help. [happy]

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

Exactly, any moron can see by simply watching the video that John Kuhn provided little assistance. A simple understanding of physics is barely necessary, however a dose of common sense is required.[happy]

Edit, not sure why I said 'moron' there, uncalled for and was not directed towards anyone. Maybe I hit the "moron" key instead of the "one" key??

Packers_Finland
Registered

13 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

What's funny is before watching this video I actually believed Kuhn helped him quite a bit. However looking at now, it seems very obvious Cobb would've remained upright even if Kuhn hadn't helped him.

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Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland

He might have stayed on his feet, but would have the timing throughout the rest of the play remained the same? A split second of change may have altered what in the overall return?

I need to go find that lollipop loving owl , the one of all being knowledge to answer those questions with any certainty.

So.. Kuhn's part in the play may or may not have altered the outcome.. so can one really say with conviction the Kuhn didn't assist Cobb?

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

So.. Kuhn's part in the play may or may not have altered the outcome.. so can one really say with conviction the Kuhn didn't assist Cobb?

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

One can not say John Kuhn didn't assist Randall Cobb with conviction. I know I've said a few a times that the assist was minimal at most, never denying there wasn't. Randall Cobb was already regaining vertical balance before John Kuhn touched him. I don't know this for a fact, but after watching the play more than a dozen times in slow motion, I'm confident Randall Cobb would have scored regardless of John Kuhn being present.

It was a fantastic play and I had hoped we'd be watching it over and over because of it's awesomeness, not to argue about John Kuhn's assistance, or lack there of.

Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

It was a fantastic play and I had hoped we'd be watching it over and over because of it's awesomeness, not to argue about John Kuhn's assistance, or lack there of.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Who is arguing.. just playing devils advocate is all. More of the running joke more so that the "assistance" angle has generated.

That said.. the topic at hand is if there was assistance.. therefore altered and the follow up question of its overall impact is subjective and unanswerable. You know.. following the topic of the OP and some followup comments. I guess I shouldn't have commented at all..

Who said it isn't an excellent play and who is not enjoying it?

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

Who said someone said it wasn't a fantastic play? Who said someone wasn't enjoying it? 🤔

You are right, no one is arguing, a little hyperbole on my part. It's actually a decent debate, and after all, this is a forum and that's what we do. My mistake there. And you are also right, the topic is a bout John Kuhn's assistance. My mistake was I only viewed the video, didn't read the text. 😣 <-- on my own error.

beast
Select Member

13 years ago

Originally Posted by: macbob

I hate sport science... because it's not science (and I think real science would disagree with them with a lot of the assumption they make)... and it's only very little sport... it's watch video and let us say words like it means something and true... when it's not...

The video says the hit shifted Cobb's center of gravity outside his base of support, his legs. I think we can all see he wasn't outside of his legs but inside and there for could of caught himself.

The video also says three arms supported Cobb... do they not see that his foot was also on the ground?

As for Kuhn... I think the guy he was blocking got off of his block and hit Cobb... and the reason for the spin/roll in the first place. So he's mistake slowed Cobb up in the first place and looked like Cobb was gonna catch himself.

But Kuhn did then help the play... by get his feet tangled up with a Saint, who was catching up to Cobb while Cobb was trying to speed back up... Kuhn and the Saints' player got tripped up by each other... the Saints player was #35... who the Saints list as one FB Korey Hall. Both FBs... I wonder if they knew each other :-"

macbob
Veteran Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#10

Kuhn did not help Cobb. It's clear from the video he was simply congratulating Cobb on the TD, without waiting for him to have first crossed the goal line... [grin1]

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