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13 years ago
The bold part of the clip from below really cracks me up about the stereotype of the college "spread" offense.. while the progressions are no doubt simpler and the plays generally have a designed option or two.. the concept of the "spread" is staple in many a pro style teams already.

Think back a year or two when the Packers struggled with presnap movement and formation stacks.. a key element in some of the more elaborate spread offenses in college.

The concept is simple.. spread the defense horizontally to create vertical seams through movement, alignment and route design. You see it every Sunday on the gridiron.

Yet many a pro writer or coaches are quick to jab at it like a worn out punching bag, yet they fail to acknowledge what every successful football coach out there does, they borrow or tweak concepts and intermix them with other concepts and apply them to their personnel.

The Spread offense is successful in the NFL... the Packers rode some of the elements to a Superbowl. Yet they still mock its origins and roots.. blindly or ignorantly no less.

The true difference comes in its frequency of use in the pros verses college and the depth of the overall playbook. But it doesn't change the fact that the concept works.. even in the pros.


Harrell's last word on Thursday 
By Tyler Dunne of the Journal Sentinel

This summer was a testimony of sorts for quarterback Graham Harrell. Each practice and each game, he takes the stand. The former Texas Tech star is out to prove that a quarterback bred in Mike Leach’s pass-happy system can, indeed, succeed in the NFL.

After setting the NCAA record for passing touchdowns and completions at Texas Tech (2005-08), he was unwanted in two leagues — the NFL and the CFL. Last year, the Packers gave Harrell a shot on the practice squad and he’s been improving since.

This Thursday is probably the last Green Bay sees of Harrell for a while. Expect plenty of the 26-year-old at Lambeau Field against Kansas City. It's another chance for him to make a new name for himself.

Heck yes, he’s sick of the “system quarterback” label.




My rant aside.. lol.. I think there is light years of difference in Graham's game.. just think if he could have had a full offseason of QB boot camp.

I have said it other places.. I would have no problems if Rodgers goes down and the Packers move Flynn and Graham steps into a spot start here or there.

The process the Packers are in remind me again of the 90's.. develop, trade and move onto the next project. There are many tangents between the two era's.. even if some fail to acknowledge them all.
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bozz_2006
13 years ago
I feel like Harrell might really have been the Packer who was most negatively affected by the lockout what with no QB camp.

Still, it's becoming clear that when you talk about the HC's that are truly QB wizards, and you mention the likes of Walsh, Seifert, Holmgren, and Reid. I think that McCarthy is seriously finding a spot in that conversation. If anyone can coach Harrell up and make a player out of him, it's McCarthy.

I'd like to see the Packers hang on to Harrell. And I'd have to think that they will, what with Flynn all but certainly being out of the picture next season.
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Greg C.
13 years ago
It's sort of like how people used to dog the Jeff Tedford QBs. Tedford's problem was not that there was anything wrong with his coaching, it's that he was so good that he made QBs with average talent look like world beaters, plus the best ones got drafted by awful teams who couldn't give them the coaching they needed to succeed in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers showed us what can happen when a talented Tedford QB goes to a team with talented players and a good coaching staff. Maybe Graham Harrell will be the Mike Leach equivalent of Rodgers. I doubt he'll be as good, but he could at least be respectable.
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beast
13 years ago

I would have no problems if Rodgers goes down

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


:-k so your a Bears fan? 😞

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nyrpack
13 years ago
not sold on him !!

trade flynn or lose him next year, get a vet with experience !!
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Yawn. Every year the yammering for a veteran backup starts up. Give it a rest, people. What do you really think a veteran with no experience or rapport with the team is going to do that a younger quarterback who is on his second season in the system won't be able to?

Yes, I admit I may be biased because I was really rooting for the Packers to bring in Harrell for a look (then again, I wanted them to bring in Brohm and Brennan too -- shows what I know), but still, he seems to be panning out and I, for one, am looking forward to watching his development.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

not sold on him !!

trade flynn or lose him next year, get a vet with experience !!

Originally Posted by: nyrpack 



We get a compensatory pick if we do lose him. That will depend on his contract and how well he does

We will lose him next year, but it won't be for nothing.
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nyrpack
13 years ago

Yawn. Every year the yammering for a veteran backup starts up. Give it a rest, people. What do you really think a veteran with no experience or rapport with the team is going to do that a younger quarterback who is on his second season in the system won't be able to?

Yes, I admit I may be biased because I was really rooting for the Packers to bring in Harrell for a look (then again, I wanted them to bring in Brohm and Brennan too -- shows what I know), but still, he seems to be panning out and I, for one, am looking forward to watching his development.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



i like flynn, but when you hear guys like Mike McCarthy coming out and saying flynn will be a starter in about a year or two, do you think he has a chance behind aaron, no he does not, his contract is up after this season,and i dont believe in harrell being able to get by if something happened to arod, thats why i say get a vet qb, only if flynn gets traded !!
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beast
13 years ago

i like flynn, but when you hear guys like Mike McCarthy coming out and saying flynn will be a starter in about a year or two, do you think he has a chance behind aaron, no he does not, his contract is up after this season,and i dont believe in harrell being able to get by if something happened to arod, thats why i say get a vet qb, only if flynn gets traded !!

Originally Posted by: nyrpack 



Just because McCarthy say it doesn't mean it's true. I mean what is he suppose to say... Flynn has no shot at ever being a starter? Yeah that will keep Flynn happen and willing to put in the hard work Mike McCarthy ask him too... (sarcasm)

It's like coach Greene talking about how much he likes Elmore after they drafted him and fans got all excited about Elmore and wonders and questioned why they would draft a 5'10" very little hype LB before him... now sounds like people think the 5'10" LB will make it and Elmore won't.

Coaches for the most part are going to say the "correct" things even if they're not sure if it will happen or don't think it will. Like the Redskins offensive coordinator saying he wanted to draft Beck (who might be their back-up QB) in the top 10 picks that year while he was with the Texans. (when asked if that was true, Texans GM laughed at that idea but nicely said something like I don't think he was quite that high on him)
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porky88
13 years ago

The process the Packers are in remind me again of the 90's.. develop, trade and move onto the next project. There are many tangents between the two era's.. even if some fail to acknowledge them all.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


This caught me off guard. Who would deny any of the similarities? Just about everyone within the scouting department has roots traced back to Ron Wolf. This is very much a 20 year process that has been going on within the structure of the organization.
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