Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
The ribbon that he complained about doesn't wrap around to the outfield.. I fail to see how it would change a hitters pick up.

But they did open and close the roof several times last night.. I wonder if Tony has filed a complaint yet on the timing. 😉
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

The ribbon that he complained about doesn't wrap around to the outfield.. I fail to see how it would change a hitters pick up.

But they did open and close the roof several times last night.. I wonder if Tony has filed a complaint yet on the timing. ;)

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



The ribbon behind home plate lights up the batters box making it easier to see the ball and pick up location and rotation of the ball. OF ribbon wouldn't matter.
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago

The ribbon behind home plate lights up the batters box making it easier to see the ball and pick up location and rotation of the ball. OF ribbon wouldn't matter.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



from the second deck? I guess I would have to stand on the field and see it.. I will be checking it out next time I am down there.

I just have my doubts.. even MLB have their doubts.  MillerParkRibbon.png You have insufficient rights to see the content.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

probably so. But the Brew Crew will be whining at the end of the year when they end up in 2nd place in the division and their vegan loving first baseman takes a hike to greener pastures for more money.

(POW!!) 😝

Originally Posted by: wpr 



You're gonna try talking smack about NEXT year?? 😳

[aiee][duh] [aiee]
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
BTW... not much of a pitching duel in today's game either..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

from the second deck? I guess I would have to stand on the field and see it.. I will be checking it out next time I am down there.

I just have my doubts.. even MLB have there doubts.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Yep I know the ribbon. I have been to about a dozen Brewer games since they opened the new park. I can see that there is a difference but it was between innings. It never occurred to me that they would use one background for the home team and another for away teams.
As I said, what if Tony doesn't really care about the sign/lights? What if he is just yanking their chain to get them to think about him saying they are cheating? Who knows other than TLR? Perhaps it is a sign of him being desperate?
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

You're gonna try talking smack about NEXT year?? 😳

[aiee][duh] [aiee]

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




It is on the mind of every player/coach and management person in the Brewer organization.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

It is on the mind of every player/coach and management person in the Brewer organization.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



The hell it is! What's on the mind of every player, coach and management person is WINNING the division and advancing to the World Series.

I'll buy it being on fan's minds, but give me a break, it's a professional team who is in a pennant race. You suck at smack. Up your game or step down!

[happy] [happy] [happy]


BTW, scoreboard!! 😛


Edit, shit, Cardinals just made it 5 - 7 ...
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

The hell it is! What's on the mind of every player, coach and management person is WINNING the division and advancing to the World Series.

I'll buy it be on fan's minds, but give me a break, it's a professional team who is in a pennant race. You suck at smack. Up your game or step down!

[happy] [happy] [happy]


BTW, scoreboard!! 😛


Edit, shit, Cardinals just made it 5 - 7 ...

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Yeah I don't do smack. I love you too much.

Truly STL has won so many times in my lifetime I don't really care if they win again this year or not. I will be happy if they do but it won't be a disappointment if they don't. I am not desperate for a championship like Milwaukee or Cincinnati or Pittsburgh fans are.
We have the Fox Sports baseball package. My wife watches all the games. I will if it fits my schedule. Last night I went to bed and she stayed up to watch the extra innings.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I think the Cardinals have won the second most World Series, right?

Desperate for a World Series championship for Milwaukee Brewer fans is a drastic understatement my friend, lol.
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

I think the Cardinals have won the second most World Series, right?

Desperate for a World Series championship for Milwaukee Brewer fans is a drastic understatement my friend, lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



yep. 10 wins out of 17 trips. 4 wins in my life and 7 trips. that's not bad. (Not NYY good either but they live in the Rotten Apple.)
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
9 to 5 Brewers..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
Scratch that.. Casey popped another dinger.. 10 to 5.

Way to break out there Casey.. 3 dingers in a game. Got Jackson's number today.. can we face him in a couple games again. 🙂
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
Well I guess all of La Russa's so called "idiots" got the last laugh.

Also.. apparently he got offended by Schroeder calling the move a Bush league move.. to the point where he degraded their work overall and prompted him to call Bill personally.

Last year Tony had an issue with the Reds.. this season the Brewers.. in 08' reacted to the Fielder celebration. Common thread.. teams he was chasing.

Head games or whining? I guess only he knows for sure.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago
sad day. I don't really care any more.
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
He had to know this was coming..


Molina suspended five games 

By Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel

Aug. 4, 2011 3:18 p.m. |(24) Comments

MLB just announced that St. Louis catcher Yadier Molina has been suspended for five games as a result of his altercation with an umpire during the Cardinals' game against the Brewers on Tuesday night at Miller Park.

The announcement said Molina drew the suspension and an undisclosed fine for "his inappropriate actions, which included making contact with umpire Rob Drake multiple times and spraying him with spittle twice while arguing." The announcement was made by Joe Garagiola Jr., Senior Vice President of Standards and On-Field Operations for Major League Baseball.

Molina’s suspension is scheduled to begin tonight, when the Cardinals are to play the Florida Marlins in Miami. If Molina elects to file an appeal, then the discipline issued to him will be held in abeyance until the process is complete.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
It is hard to watch Counsell struggle so mightily this season at the plate, his bat speed seems diminished, yet he still holds value because he can still get it done in the field.

Anyway.. interesting look back upon history and a gent that holds a record he probably never wanted.. lol.


Bill Bergen’s Awesome Record of Baseball Futility 

Today’s lesson, gleaned from baseball history, is that if you are going to be bad at something, be spectacularly bad. And if you are spectacularly bad enough, people might be talking about you 100 years after you retire.

This lesson comes courtesy of Bill Bergen, a catcher for the Brooklyn Superbas in the early 1900s. The record books will tell you that Bergen is the worst hitter in Major League Baseball history, holding records for the lowest season batting average for a regular position player (.139, a mark making news as Adam Dunn of the Chicago White Sox threatens it) and lowest career batting average (.170), as well as the longest streak of at-bats without a hit (46, a mark making news because Milwaukee’s Craig Counsell is threatening it at 0 for 45).

Bergen’s career lasted 11 seasons, from 1901-11, although he couldn’t hit the side of a barn. He did not have one slump year surrounded by many productive ones (like Dunn) or one epic bad streak (like Counsell). He was consistently and dependably, well, subpar.

In 3,028 career at-bats, he hit two home runs. In only one season did his average top .200. His career .194 on-base percentage means he didn’t walk much. His career .201 slugging percentage means he rarely hit for extra bases. Perhaps his quirkiest statistic: he was never hit by a pitch.

“He is about as bad a hitter as you can possibly imagine,” said David Jones, a baseball historian who edited two books on baseball’s dead-ball era. “But if he’d been a little bit better hitter, no one would ever talk about him.”

Instead, his name crops up whenever a baseline of offensive futility is needed. He does not have a line named after him like Mario Mendoza, whose paltry batting average made him synonymous with hitting .200. But Bergen is firmly installed in the history of futility.

Bergen’s secret was playing at a time — that dreaded dead-ball era — when good defensive catchers were worth their weight in Teddy Roosevelt autographs. Bergen was a great defensive catcher. By some statistical measures, he is considered among the top five defensive catchers in National League history.

“It was an era when catchers were even more important than they are today because bunting and stealing bases were the main way teams would score runs,” said Tom Simon, who along with Jones edited the books on the stars of the dead-ball era. “So teams would carry a guy hitting .139 if he could keep the other team from scoring.”

Bergen caught a relatively modest 941 games but ranks in the top 20 in career assists by a catcher with 1,444. He threw out 47.3 percent of runners attempting to steal. He once threw out six in one game, against St. Louis in 1909.

An article in The Sporting News in 1908 described Bergen: “He is one of the few backstops who can throw on a line to second while standing flat-footed and he gets a ball away from him so quickly and with so little apparent exertion that the runner on first, second or third does not dare to take liberties when Billie is on the job.”

An article in The Bridgeport Evening Post in 1904 read: “His long suit is his wonderful throwing. While playing in the interstate league with Fort Wayne, Ind., Bergen saved the game for his team one day when the bases were full and no one out by catching three men napping, one after the other, allowing his team to win.”

Bergen began his career on a rather ignominious note with the Cincinnati Reds in 1901. A year earlier, his older brother Marty, a talented catcher for the Boston Beaneaters from 1896-99, had murdered his wife and two children with an ax and killed himself with a razor blade. Marty Bergen was considered far more talented than Bill, but his mental instability had been apparent his entire career. He often walked out on his team, berated his teammates and described paranoid visions of plots to kill him.

“We don’t know enough about Bill Bergen’s life to know how he dealt with that,” Jones said. “But it must have been something.”

Bill Bergen, by all accounts, had none of his brother’s demons and was a pleasant teammate. His ignominy was strictly of the baseball variety.

He entered the league just as the American League became a major league, so teams were scrambling for players to fill rosters. Offensive numbers were down across the board. All of that worked to Bergen’s advantage.

After he played three seasons with the Reds, Bergen’s contract was sold to Brooklyn, one of the National League’s truly dreadful teams. Team nicknames back then were coined by sportswriters, who dubbed the team the Superbas because Manager Ned Hanlon shared a moniker with a popular circus troupe at the time, the Hanlon Superba. (They didn’t officially become the Dodgers until 1932.) Despite the high-flying name, the team never finished above fifth in the league during Bergen’s career. Perhaps that led to even decreased expectations for Bergen, who, as Bill James wrote in his “New Historical Baseball Abstract,” was the only catcher in history whose value came 100 percent on defense.

In that era, catcher was not considered an offensive position at all. The job was grueling, with little in the way of today’s protective equipment. According to Jones, catchers did not wear shin guards, and their mitts were small, requiring two hands to catch most pitches. They were injured often and installed deep in a team’s batting order. But they were called on to field a lot of bunts and to prevent stolen bases.

“With Bill Bergen, you had someone who could shut down the other team’s running game,” Jones said. “He had a cannon for an arm. The way to think of him was as a second pitcher.”

Simon wonders whether Bergen was ever put ninth in the batting order, “because pitchers were probably better hitters than him.”

Joe Dittmar, who was vice chairman of the records committee for the Society for American Baseball Research for 18 years, researched Bergen’s career in the 1990s and wrote an article for the society’s Web site. During that research, he stumbled on Bergen’s 46-at-bat hitless streak. Until then, Luis Aparicio and Tony Bernazard were considered to have the record at 44. Dittmar thoroughly scoured the dead-ball era records and determined that Bergen’s was the longest.

That streak came to an end in 1909 during the second game of a doubleheader against the Cubs, when Bergen beat out an infield hit ahead of a throw by Johnny Evers of Tinker-to-Evers-to-Chance fame.

Bergen’s career ended in 1911 when Brooklyn found its young catcher of the future in Otto Miller. Bergen was released. He died in 1943 of heart disease at age 65, according to his death certificate.

But Bergen’s career was just bad enough that, in a way, he lives forever.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago
Molina will appeal and it will be reduced to 3 games.
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Select Member Topic Starter
13 years ago

Molina will appeal and it will be reduced to 3 games.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Actually he accept it and will begin tonight.. I was actually impressed with his words in accepting it.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
wpr
  • wpr
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

Actually he accept it and will begin tonight.. I was actually impressed with his words in accepting it.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 




He is not the trouble making kind of a guy. I am sure he just was feeling the pressure of the pennant race. Although that "strike" was pretty far inside according to the foxtrax perspective. It is one thing for an ump to miss a call that is on the edge of the plate but this one is so far off the plate it wasn't even close.
UserPostedImage
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    beast (3h) : Packershome going to the Whiteout unis again
    Zero2Cool (8h) : Oh wait, they got Cam Ward. 1st overall right? haha oops
    Zero2Cool (9h) : They could send Packers a 1st for a QB they are familiar with
    Zero2Cool (9h) : Titans QB Will Levis to have season-ending shoulder surgery
    Zero2Cool (19-Jul) : Their season did kind of start there, so 🤷
    dfosterf (19-Jul) : Eagles put an engraved Brazil flag on their super bowl rings
    Zero2Cool (18-Jul) : Benton unsigned no more
    Zero2Cool (17-Jul) : That's good analysis, yes you are getting old. It'd a blessing!
    dfosterf (14-Jul) : *analysis* gettin' old
    dfosterf (14-Jul) : One of the best analyisis I"ve ever watched at this time of an offseason
    dfosterf (14-Jul) : Andy Herman interviewed Warren Sharp on his Pack a day podcast
    packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series
    Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome
    Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.
    Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!
    Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.
    Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.
    Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame
    dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
    Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
    dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
    Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
    Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
    Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
    dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
    dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
    wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
    Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
    Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
    Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
    Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
    Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
    Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
    Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
    beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
    Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
    Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
    Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2025 Packers Schedule
    Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
    COMMANDERS
    Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
    Browns
    Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
    Cowboys
    Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
    BENGALS
    Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
    Cardinals
    Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
    Steelers
    Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
    PANTHERS
    Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
    EAGLES
    Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
    Giants
    Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
    Broncos
    Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
    Bears
    Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
    RAVENS
    Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
    Vikings
    Recent Topics
    1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    18-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    15-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    14-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    10-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    10-Jul / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

    6-Jul / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    4-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

    1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.