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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Killing of infants on the rise in Pakistan 
By Reza Sayah, CNN
July 20, 2011 -- Updated 2130 GMT (0530 HKT)

Karachi, Pakistan (CNN) -- At a morgue in Pakistan's largest city, five linen pouches -- each the size of a loaf of bread -- line the shelf of a walk-in freezer.

Wrapped inside each small sack is the corpse of an infant.

The babies are victims of what one relief agency calls Pakistan's worst unfolding tragedy: the killing and dumping of newborns.

"Sometimes they hang them, and sometimes they kill by the knife, and sometimes we find bodies which have been burned," said Anwar Kazmi, a manager at Edhi Foundation, Pakistan's largest privately run social service and relief agency.

Records at Edhi Foundation show that more than 1,200 newborns were killed and dumped in Pakistan last year, an increase of about 200 from the previous year.

Families view many of these children as illegitimate in a culture that condemns those born outside of marriage.

Statistics show that roughly nine out of 10 are baby girls, which families may consider too costly to keep in a country where women frequently are not allowed to work.

The babies are usually just days old. Their corpses are often dumped in Karachi's sprawling garbage dumps, where they're sometimes mutilated by street animals, Kazmi said. He estimates that hundreds of baby corpses are never found.

The head of Edhi Foundation, 83-year-old Abdul Sattar Edhi, blames Pakistan's crippling poverty and a government that, for decades, has failed to educate the masses, generate jobs and provide citizens with the most basic needs.

"The distribution of resources by the government is wrong," Edhi said. "Many people don't pay taxes; there's no charity, and what you get from the government is all based on your wealth."

The Pakistani government has said it's improving education, but 55 million Pakistanis remain illiterate, according to the United Nations. And the government is billions of dollars in debt while entangled in a costly fight against the Taliban and other Islamic militant groups.

The killing of newborns gets little attention in Pakistan, and rarely are they investigated by a police force that's often poorly trained, lacks resources and stays focused on what's perceived to be more important crimes.

In many parts of the world, female infanticide is still practiced through direct violence but also by intentional neglect, according to the World Health Organization.

In some Asian countries, infanticide of girls is enough to skew the population figures in favor of males. The United Nations found, for example, that there are 130 boys to 100 girls in parts of Asia, especially in countries with extreme poverty and overpopulation such as China and India.

"Girls are seen as a burden, seen as a property which belongs to somebody else so people see that as a waste of money and the wasting of an education of a girl," said Bhagyashri Dengle, executive director of Plan India, a nonprofit for children.

"Then when the girl gets married, the families have a big, heavy dowry. So that is one of the reasons here."

Dengle said awareness and education at the grass-roots level are ways to combat this practice.

"I think we really need to reach out to young people (to) create an awareness, to change attitudes and dispel the notion that having a boy is better than a girl," she said. "We launched this program 'Let Girls Be Born' -- that campaign is reaching out to masses using televisions, through newspapers and through (the) Internet. What we are trying to do is positive messaging on the girls. That girls aren't a sect; they are as good as boys."

In Pakistan, until things improve, the Edhi Foundation said, it will keep more than 300 cradles in front of its offices throughout Pakistan where families can drop off unwanted newborns. The foundation cares for them and puts them up for adoption, no questions asked.

"It's for awareness -- that please don't kill your innocent babies," Kazmi said.



This is nothing new, of course, but every time I read it, it still somehow catches me off guard. I read an article years ago about selective abortions in China: In one particular month, 8,000 abortions were performed in Beijing alone; 7,999 of them were girls. I am more culturally tolerant than most, and I even understand why it happens, yet I still can't find the words to describe how despicable and barbaric this practice seems to me.

Then again, as a country that aborts well over 1 million babies a year, how different are we really?
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Cheesey
13 years ago
That's just it....we are not any different.
We "dress it up" with a nicer sounding name, "abortion", instead of baby murder.
Also, they do the same with the groups, calling people that are against murdering the unborn, calling us "ANTI-choice" and calling those that want it, "PRO-choice".
I'm pro choice......my choice however is to not kill innocent children.
Seriously, the "choice" part should be made BEFORE you have sex. If you can't control yourself, use condoms or birth control pills. Then if you end up pregnant, accept that you already made the choice to take that chance when you decided to sleep around, and don't take it out on the innocent child.
One of today's biggest problems in America is, there are no consequences for your actions. You arn't held accountable for anything. If you "knock up" a girl, give her a few hundred bucks, drive her to a "murder for hire" clinic, and let her dispose of the "problem" in the day's garbage.
It's big business!
There is so much money involved.
As i always say, just because something is legal, doesn't make it RIGHT.
I bet if you talked to Americans 75 years ago, and told them of the abortions comitted here today, they would be just as shocked as we are at what is going on in Pakistan now.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
I blame organized religion. If we used birth control, the numbers would be significantly less. And it's organized religion that is the big blocker of birth control.
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Cheesey
13 years ago
I myself don't blame religion.
Why? Because it still comes down to self control and not wanting to take responsibility for your own actions.
No one forces you to "put tab A in slot B".
Us some self control, and you would end the "necessity" of abortion.
I know.....some will scream "What about in cases of rape or incest???" Well, i still feel it's not right to kill the child. I'd say then, KILL THE RAPIST.
Plus, if abortion was ONLY done in cases of rape or incest, it would be very small compared to the mass murder we see today.
Check out the actual beginnings of "Planned Parenthood" and see it's roots.
I have to admit, i was shocked to see how racist (it "preached" the abortions of black kids as being something good)the organization is.
If you say "It's not like that today!" I'd say it's foundation is what it really is.
I know this is a touchy subject. Most people won't give their beliefs, for fear of being attacked. But i feel the old saying is true, that all that is needed for evil to win is for good people to stand and do nothing.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Dicey argument, Alan. I am as opposed to abortion as the next man, but we need to be careful how we argue against it. Most of the quotes that have been used to portray Margaret Sanger as a racist were taken deliberately out of context. The quote most commonly used to damn her is

We do not want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.


It sounds terrible on its face, but read in context, the sentence means exactly the opposite of what her detractors would have you believe. She knew that her advocacy of birth control among minorities could lead her opponents to accuse her of genocidal intentions, which would torpedo her campaign to increase "reproductive rights" for women. (This is, in fact, exactly what happened). What she was trying to say is that Planned Parenthood was not advocating the extermination of blacks, and she wanted the organization to take great pains not to be falsely associated with such an agenda. Ultimately, her efforts were unsuccessful, and her reputation is besmirched with allegations of racism to this day.
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Cheesey
13 years ago
I wish i could remember where i saw all the info that gave me that opinion. But it was several years ago.
Either way, planned parenthood pushes for abortions.
I think that alone is reason not to give them ANY backing.
They SAY they are "pro-choice", but get angry any time a pro-life person tries to show factually what abortion REALLY is. They get all worked up if someone tries to show how they are done, what the little arms, legs, heads and so on look like when they are pulled out of the woman.
I think if you are going to "choose" to end a human life, you should at least be willing to see EXACTLY what you are doing before you make that "choice".
As i have said before, the video "Seeing is Believing" really opened my eyes to what exactly is being committed.
It should be required viewing before anyone goes through with an abortion.
Of course that's only my opinion.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
Sorry folks, but I'm pro-abortion rights. The absolute LAST thing we need are more unwanted children. Abortion cuts crime. Sociologists have shown this.

More abortion = less crime.

(More guns = less crime as well but that's an entirely different argument).

And lastly, you want to cut down on infanticide? Good. Legalize birth control first and get good access to birth control. Second, legalized and safe abortion destroys the need for infanticide.

Religions throughout the world have condemned sex so we can't even have open discussions about it. That's one of the main reasons we even have infanticide. And no, you're not going to get me to say much nice things about Islam and sex. It's possibly the most misogynistic religion out there.
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Since69
13 years ago

I blame organized religion. If we used birth control, the numbers would be significantly less. And it's organized religion that is the big blocker of birth control.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



THANK YOU! And how much better off would Pakistan (hell - the middle east as a whole) be without religious fundamentalists running the country?
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Formo
13 years ago
I think there needs to be more Christian based faith/spirituality.

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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Sorry folks, but I'm pro-abortion rights.

Originally Posted by: zombieslazer 


I am not in favor of abortion rights, yet I also recognize that I would probably not want to live in the kind of country in which things like abortion, pornography, etc. were illegal. Heck, it gets on my nerves that drugs and teenage sex are illegal in this country.

It's possibly the most misogynistic religion out there.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


It is important to separate religion from culture, but Westerners seem to have a really hard time doing that. If you read the Qur'an, you will see that Islam is one of the least misogynistic religions ever. Women under Islam are supposed to enjoy unparalleled equality and have as many rights as men. The problem is that Islam has been adopted mostly by tribal cultures, which are by and large misogynistic, so the provisions of the Qur'an relating to women's rights are subverted in favor of traditional cultural practices. Likewise, what passes for Christianity in the United States is vastly different than Christianity in Africa or the Middle East.

Lest we forget, however, the greatest misogynists in the world are not men but women. Most of the practices we find most abhorrent are perpetuated by the women themselves. When the king of Saudi Arabia heeded the pleadings of a Western physician and outlawed female circumcision, his mother and wives were outraged.
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