Greg C.
14 years ago
This actually sounds less encouraging than what I'd been hearing all week long. Hopefully it is just some last-minute posturing, and they can get it figured out quickly. I like that it is expected to be a ten-year deal. They're not just throwing together a plan to get them another year or two.
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago
The lockout might end today, or it might not end for quite a while, one thing is for sure though, Vincent Jackson will be the most hated player in the league next year.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
The NFL Owners/Teams really need to let the Players make a decision and not try to force their hand.

Bengals declare lockout to be over 

And now for something we think you’ll really like. But some players possibly won’t.

At a time when it is critical for the NFL to stop pressuring the players to vote on the proposed labor deal that would end the lockout, the Bengals have sent out a mass e-mail declaring the lockout to be over.

(If we’d all simply been told that one NFL team would do this, wouldn’t the Bengals have been the first guess?)

The subject line declares, “Lockout is over; You ready for some football?” And the first paragraph of the message from Katie Blackburn and coach Marvin Lewis (I’ve got a feeling Marvin didn’t get the e-mail that he’d be “signing” this e-mail) reads as follows: “We are excited to let you know that the NFL has reached a new Collective Bargaining Agreement that allows the entire NFL season to be played this year.”

The only problem, of course, is that a new CBA hasn’t been reached.

NFL, we implore you. Back off and let this proverbial pot of coffee properly percolate

Mike Florio wrote:

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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Here's what the OWNERS voted on to agree last night.
http://nfllabor.com/2011/07/21/nfl-clubs-approve-comprehensive-agreement/ 


The players have to agree to re-certify and vote on it.
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^^ While I don't want to see this prolonged one minute longer than possible, I would find it amusing if the palyers all showed back up at their team facilities without voting on the new CBA. We would see hwo quickly the teams retract their, "The lockout is over" rhetoric.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I think one of the things the owners agreed was to end the lockout. Almost as a gesture to the players.
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14 years ago
Regardless of what is in the agreement that the owners voted unanimously for, I was afraid this would happen. By voting 31-0 yes, the players are not really backed into a corner. Instead, they're in a position where they hold all of the power. "You all voted unanimously to pass this. It's unfair, clearly. If you don't want to start losing preseason games, here are our demands." I'm equally skeptical of both sides right now.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Regardless of what is in the agreement that the owners voted unanimously for, I was afraid this would happen. By voting 31-0 yes, the players are not really backed into a corner. Instead, they're in a position where they hold all of the power. "You all voted unanimously to pass this. It's unfair, clearly. If you don't want to start losing preseason games, here are our demands." I'm equally skeptical of both sides right now.

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While watching the press conference I was thinking that very thing. Stop acting so happy like you just pulled a fast one!!

There are several reports that the players are going to vote today. Then you have people like Vonnie Holliday saying the owners tried to hoodwink the players.

From what I'm reading, they only need 17 of the player reps to vote yes and its game on.
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Players need more time to resolve issues with proposed deal 

No players vote today.


NFL Players Association lawyers and officials have had time to begin digesting the league's proposal for a new deal, and several concerns remain regarding language contained in it and matters the players believe are unresolved, according to numerous sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Conversations with player reps and NFLPA officials revealed no sense that a vote on ratification was imminent, instead indicating that more time will be necessary to reach an agreement on the deal ratified and proposed by owners Thursday.

A deal will be done, and the framework of the CBA is in place, but there can be no global settlement and the start of a league year until more issues are resolved. Predicting that exact time has been impossible throughout the process -- it will get done, but no one can say exactly when yet.

"Player leadership is discussing the most recent written proposal with the NFL, which includes a settlement agreement, deal terms and the right process for addressing recertification," the NFLPA said in a statement released Friday morning. "There will not be any further NFLPA statements today out of respect for the Kraft family while they mourn the loss of Myra Kraft."

NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith is spending Friday morning in Boston to attend Kraft's funeral. The wife of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft passed away Wednesday at age 68 after a long battle with cancer.

There is no player rep conference call set and no vote on ratification expected Friday within the NFLPA; that could change later in the day based on the ongoing discussions between the league and player lawyers, as well as the continued direct dialogue between Smith and commissioner Roger Goodell.

The issue of how, and when, the NFLPA would reform as a union remains paramount. There is a difference between the players and owners as to how that process would occur. The NFLPA's lawyers and brass believe there are "major problems with the process of reforming the union and settling the lawsuits," as spelled out in the proposal presented by the owners, according to one source.

There also remains a significant disconnect between the sides regarding how certain issues would be resolved that can only be formally drawn up once there is a CBA between the sides (there can be no CBA without the NFLPA recertification as a union). These issues include drug policy matters (such as HGH testing), issues of discipline for off-field problems and some matters related to work-place safety.

Several NFLPA reps have advised their teammates that this process could take several days to reach a point where the NFLPA is comfortable agreeing to terms and beginning the recertification process. Again, that could change if major gains are made in these negotiations.

It remains unclear if the NFL would still open its doors to players on Saturday, as was part of the proposal made to players Thursday, but NFLPA lawyers and officials have advised players that they do not think there is a chance the league would actually do so without having a fully ratified settlement by both sides.

Indeed, the language and league-year dates in the owners' proposal Thursday were "contingent upon ratification of the agreement by the players prior to these dates."

NFL owners overwhelmingly approved a tentative labor agreement Thursday that would end the lingering lockout, provided that players re-establish their union and sign off on the proposal. But the players didn't vote, leaving the country's most popular sports league in limbo for at least another day.

At about 7 p.m. ET in Atlanta, NFL owners voted 31-0 -- the Oakland Raiders abstained -- to OK the labor deal, pending players' approval. Soon after, the league issued a press release announcing: "NFL clubs approved today the terms of a comprehensive settlement of litigation and a new 10-year collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association."

Less than an hour later in Washington, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith sent an email to the 32 player representatives saying: "Issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open; other issues, such as workers' compensation, economic issues and end-of-deal terms, remain unresolved. There is no agreement between the NFL and the players at this time."

NFL Players Association general counsel Richard Berthelsen later detailed issues he had with the owners' proposal in another email sent to the player reps.

"In addition to depriving the players of the time needed to consider forming a union and making needed changes to the old agreement, this proposed procedure would in my view also violate federal labor laws," Berthelsen wrote.

Then the players held a conference call and decided not to take a vote, saying they hadn't seen the full proposal approved by owners.

Buffalo Bills player rep George Wilson told NFL Network that there is "no timeline" for players to vote on the deal, and Cleveland Browns wide receiver/kick returner Josh Cribbs urged fans to be patient.

"We hate that it's being put out there that the lockout is over when the reality is that we've just made significant progress," Cribbs said. "We don't want the fans to look at the players in a negative way, but it's a process."

That process led Goodell to speak on the phone with Smith several times Thursday, including filling him in on the results of the owners' vote before it was announced.

"Hopefully, we can all work quickly, expeditiously, to get this agreement done," Goodell said at a news conference at an Atlanta-area hotel, site of the owners' meeting. "It is time to get back to football. That's what everybody here wants to do."

But several players took to Twitter, expressing opposition to the proposal. Pittsburgh Steelers safety Ryan Clark wrote: "The owners want u to believe that they have been extremely fair everywhere and this is their 'olive branch' to finalize it."

Some players claimed that owners snuck some items in the deal, but NFL spokesman Greg Aiello disputed that notion.

"It's really not true," Aiello said in an interview on NFL Network. "Anything that we put in this press release was discussed and negotiated with the players. And now the next step is for them to approve it.

"I'm not sure what it is they didn't know about or are surprised about. But again, there's certain details that the owners just found out today or don't even know yet."


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