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13 years ago
NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell me daily news quiz has a joke about it.

"For residents--who, until this week, thought they were North Dakotans--it's a good news/bad news scenario. The good news is they may be eligible for significant state tax refunds and other back payments. The bad news is they're now Canadians."

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/327153/ 

State constitution omits executive branch in oath requirement
FARGO – For nearly 122 years, most people have assumed that North Dakota is the 39th state of the United States.

FARGO – For nearly 122 years, most people have assumed that North Dakota is the 39th state of the United States.

But a Grand Forks man says he’s been trying to tell us for the past 16 years that the status of our statehood is really in a state of flux.

Many of us think it’s the flat terrain, blizzards, bone-numbing cold, biblical floods and mosquitoes the size of robins that make North Dakota stand out.

On that, John Rolczynski says we have it wrong.

It’s that our state constitution is faulty.

The 82-year-old said the constitution names the legislative and judicial branches when stating who must take an oath of office but omits the executive branch. Rolczynski says that puts the state constitution in conflict with the federal constitution, and therefore makes it invalid.

Goodbye, statehood.

Hello, Dakota Territory!

Rolczynski said last week that his quest has been frustrating. First, he’s dealt with officials over the years who didn’t want to deal with him (judges, governors, legislators). And now he’s dealing with irreverent media types (guys like me).

“It’s a mockery! Sixteen years, and everybody makes it a big joke,” he said.

“In the meantime, what is North Dakota? Is it a territory, or is it a state?” Rolczynski asked.

A constitutional law expert says the error doesn’t mean we can stop paying state taxes.

Bruce Quick is a criminal law attorney at Fargo’s Vogel Law Firm. He also teaches classes at North Dakota State University and at the University of North Dakota law school.

Quick said the federal constitution requires federal officers to be bound by oaths but doesn’t mention a requirement for state officers to give their oaths.

Even with the omission of the executive branch in the state constitution for taking oaths, he said North Dakota law requires top executive officers to take an oath to uphold the constitution. That puts the state in compliance in that respect.

Also, the federal government approved the state constitution and all the other paperwork involved, he said.

So, like a marriage, once the “I do’s” were said, the nation was stuck with us, he said.

Otherwise, the alternative would be hanging around in a territorial limbo – sort of a northern Puerto Rico, without the sunny tropical weather, rum, ocean beaches and rainforests.

This spring, Sen. Tim Mathern, D-Fargo, and Rep. Tom Conklin, D-Douglas, finally managed to get a bill passed with an amendment to the constitution that would fix the gaffe.

The amendment will go to voters in the November 2012 election, where they will get a chance to edit their ancestors’ work.

Mathern called Rolczynski’s persistence a triumph for “a citizen accomplishing a public policy objective, which to me, is a testament to democracy being alive.”

But Rolczynski is not done yet. He wants to correct a possible second mistake in the North Dakota Constitution.

The constitution states that the Red River forms the entire eastern border of the state. But, Rolczynski points out, it’s the Bois De Sioux River that forms part of the eastern border from Wahpeton to the South Dakota line. From Wahpeton north, it’s the Red River.

“It does not say anything about the Bois de Sioux River,” he said.

Hopefully, this doesn’t take another 16 years to fix.

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DakotaT
13 years ago
That'd be pretty sweet to get back all my Federal taxes paid in for the last 27 years. Thanks man.
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Formo
13 years ago

That'd be pretty sweet to get back all my Federal taxes paid in for the last 27 years. Thanks man.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Says the guy that likens paying taxes as a privilege... :roll:
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Says the guy that likens paying taxes as a privilege... :roll:

Originally Posted by: Formo 



You and I deserve to pay more and more taxes because we're bad bad people. He's obviously above that though. 😣
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DakotaT
13 years ago

You and I deserve to pay more and more taxes because we're bad bad people. He's obviously above that though. ](*,)

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Bitches! Does it require a smiley to note sarcasm. Christ!!!!!
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Bitches! Does it require a smiley to note sarcasm. Christ!!!!!

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



[stupid]


[sarcasm]
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DakotaT
13 years ago

[stupid]


[sarcasm]

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




You know damn well I'm too lazy to go find those every time.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
Yeah whatever. Mr. Happy (which is probably the ultimate in sarcasm calling him that) deserves to be made fun of now and then. :-"

Yo Formo. Where's your purple buddy? He hasn't responded yet.
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Formo
13 years ago

[stupid]


[sarcasm]

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


HAHA!

Z, I don't know.
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vikesrule
13 years ago
I knew it all along...posers..all North Dakotans are freakin' posers.

No other topic is more important and explains better the demise of our society than the saga of the Territory of North Dakota.
If I chose to do so, I could write exclusively about the Territory of North Dakota's pudibund reportages and never be lacking for material.

I say we leave it as a territory, but to keep the US Flag as it is, bring in Guam or Puerto Rico.
God knows either one of those places have a hell of a lot more to offer than that God-forsaken wasteland of North Dakota.

The funniest thing is that DakotaT payed all those "state" taxes to an entity that does not exist....what a dumbass.[roflmao]



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