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14 years ago

When the deals are renewed in early '12, that's when I expect another price jump.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I still think it's better from a PR perspective for them to increase prices to better reflect their costs in two smaller steps rather than the sticker shock of bumping prices up in a single, larger step. Or who knows, maybe they won't increase prices at all... Time will tell.
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14 years ago

I still think it's better from a PR perspective for them to increase prices to better reflect their costs in two smaller steps rather than the sticker shock of bumping prices up in a single, larger step. Or who knows, maybe they won't increase prices at all... Time will tell.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 


Unless they are pocketing 70% of the subscription revenue or more, they will have to increase the subscription fee's. They are getting bargain basement deal's with the studio's right now ... that's going to change since the studio's see $$$$$ in this avenue. 🙂
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14 years ago
I don't understand the business model of the so-called "content providers." They are constantly showing themselves willing to take a bigger slice of a shrinking pie. They have to know that jacking the prices so high will reduce consumption, yet they persist in doing so anyway, as though the moral rectitude they perceive in their decision justifies the Pyrrhic victory. Well, the revenues of the music industry alone have shrunk 50 percent in the last 10 years, yet they persist in their self-destructive ways.

And whose fault is it? Why, the customers' of course! Surely shrinking revenues must be a sign of ill-will -- if not downright illegal behavior -- on the part of consumers! It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that consumers have limited budgets and are focused on things like, you know, putting food on their families' tables.

Given that a corporation is usually regarded as having an obligation to shareholders to maximize profits, entertainment has to be the only field in which corporations are given a pat on the back for driving revenues into the ground in the name of principle.

Not to mention, it never ceases to amaze me that content providers seem to believe that demand for their wares is inelastic and that customers will keep coming back no matter how high prices rise.

Well, I won't. I have a family to feed. A walk in the woods is free, and I find that just as entertaining as a movie anyway.
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It is funny in a sad sort of way. As the industry revenues dwindle that only acerbates the situation and corps push even harder to get their revenue stream back and grab a larger slice of the shrinking pie. Typically by raising their already high prices.

I agree with the free walk. I chuckle to my self that people will drive to a jogging/walking track then drive home. I walk out my front door. Go past the rec center. Walk as far as I planned. Walk back past the center and go home. All I am out is the cost of my shoes which I would have that expense anyway if I walked indoors.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

All I am out is the cost of my shoes which I would have that expense anyway if I walked indoors.

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You must have some rough terrain for indoors.
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14 years ago

I don't understand the business model of the so-called "content providers." They are constantly showing themselves willing to take a bigger slice of a shrinking pie. They have to know that jacking the prices so high will reduce consumption, yet they persist in doing so anyway, as though the moral rectitude they perceive in their decision justifies the Pyrrhic victory. Well, the revenues of the music industry alone have shrunk 50 percent in the last 10 years, yet they persist in their self-destructive ways.

And whose fault is it? Why, the customers' of course! Surely shrinking revenues must be a sign of ill-will -- if not downright illegal behavior -- on the part of consumers! It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that consumers have limited budgets and are focused on things like, you know, putting food on their families' tables.

Given that a corporation is usually regarded as having an obligation to shareholders to maximize profits, entertainment has to be the only field in which corporations are given a pat on the back for driving revenues into the ground in the name of principle.

Not to mention, it never ceases to amaze me that content providers seem to believe that demand for their wares is inelastic and that customers will keep coming back no matter how high prices rise.

Well, I won't. I have a family to feed. A walk in the woods is free, and I find that just as entertaining as a movie anyway.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Well said. Besides, a walk in the woods helps offset obesity which is a growing problem here in the States. Plus, you're spending more quality time with your family than sitting around watching the idiot box.

As for the music industry, maybe they should consider putting out a better product. Top 40 has always been bad but I strongly think it's even worse today than when I was growing up. That American Idol stuff is mindless junk. Meanwhile, there are plenty of good bands out there that are starving but the music industry's too afraid to do the right thing and sign them instead of garbage like Britney Spears, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, etc.

Alright, I better stop or else I'll derail this thread. I always thought that Netflix was a good deal. Just too lazy to sign up. We usually just walk to the Redbox and get something from there when we want to see a flick.

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As for the music industry, maybe they should consider putting out a better product. Top 40 has always been bad but I strongly think it's even worse today than when I was growing up.

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Couldn't agree more.
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14 years ago

You must have some rough terrain for indoors.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Indoor shoes wear out too. Maybe a little slower but they still do.
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"...to better reflect the costs of each."



What a crock of shit. "... to better reflect our lack of competition." would be closer to the truth. Looks like I'll be downgrading to the Streaming-only plan...
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
If the industry would lower costs, revenue would climb. My family still buys DVDs occasionally -- but only the ones that cost less than $10. We don't buy the ones that are priced $15 to $25. I occasionally buy cheap CDs too, although my primary source of music nowadays is secondhand stores. I recently purchased 11 albums (16 CDs) for 27,50€. That's less than I would have paid for 3 CDs at new prices.
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If the industry would lower costs, revenue would climb. My family still buys DVDs occasionally -- but only the ones that cost less than $10. We don't buy the ones that are priced $15 to $25. I occasionally buy cheap CDs too, although my primary source of music nowadays is secondhand stores. I recently purchased 11 albums (16 CDs) for 27,50€. That's less than I would have paid for 3 CDs at new prices.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 





In this theory then.. the artists themselves must come to grips with the fact that they are highly overpaid and should no longer expect the industry to overpay them for their services just because they name may draw more interest into a marginal film effort.



One of the primary reasons I hold contempt for Metallica.. they failed to understand what built and feed them as a band. Once they broke through the mainstream.. they started to hold on their hand for more to be deposited into it. But from that point forward they have done little of anything of quality.. Hence why many have  claimed that the Black album was a sellout effort..
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14 years ago
I would not say that artists are overpaid. Their share of the revenues is appallingly low. Do some reading, for example, on how ASCAP distributes royalties to songwriters. Most of their members never see a dime from their songs. BMI is somewhat more fair, but not much.

What artists should be doing is leaving the labels in drove and self-distributing their work. (The problem with already signed artists is that if they left, they would in many cases also lose performance rights to their own music!) That way, if they only charged, say, $5 per CD, they would be making about $4 per impression, instead of the $1 per impression they get now. Under such a system, many of the artists could stand a reduction in sales volume due to the lack of promotional budget and could still see an increase in net revenue. Plus they would retain the rights to their music.

The future belongs to the independent artist. The big conglomerates know this, which is why they keep frantically petitioning Congress to extend copyright protection. What is it now, 97 years after the death of the artist or something absurd like that? And Congress keeps shamefully abetting their greed.

It pleases me that people are starting to revolt against this abuse by closing their pocketbooks.
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I would not say that artists are overpaid. Their share of the revenues is appallingly low. Do some reading, for example, on how ASCAP distributes royalties to songwriters. Most of their members never see a dime from their songs. BMI is somewhat more fair, but not much.

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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 





Artists include actors/actresses.. and I am sorry the amount of jack that they obtain for some of these garbage films is ridiculous.



I will agree that the music industry has a far less artist friendly structure.. even then the artist is the one to blame in that arrangement.



Today's environment with various avenues to market themselves.. they have little to blame but themselves.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Indoor shoes wear out too. Maybe a little slower but they still do.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


We don't wear shoes in my house. 🙂
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Nor in mine. Of course, we tend not to wear clothes either, but that's another topic.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Nor in mine. Of course, we tend not to wear clothes either, but that's another topic.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


(note to self, auto accept any invitation to Rourkes house, preferably if only women are in attendance)
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14 years ago
Hey, even a blind man could see that Kat2 is HOT, and zombieslayer thinks Kat1 is hot too.
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Hey, even a blind man could see that Kat2 is HOT, and zombieslayer thinks Kat1 is hot too.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 





Need graphical stimuli to validate above statement. 🙂
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We don't wear shoes in my house. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




I guess I should clarify myself. Indoor running shoes.
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14 years ago
Sadly, Kat1 has an odd sort of Puckish beauty that doesn't translate well to film at all. She just isn't photogenic. I have only managed to take one picture of her over the years that brought out her good points, and I am a pretty decent photographer.

Kat2 is a trained model, so it is a lot easier to photograph her. She uses the photo below, or one like it, for her modeling ID and resumes. Since I took the portrait, I am pretty proud of that.  Kat Portrait.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.  IMG_6113.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.
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