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earthquake
Member

13 years ago

I think this nonsense about a low percentage offense is simply a fallacy. Aaron Rodgers completed 65% of his passes, and completed more deep passes than nearly anyone else in the league. You've got a super accurate passer, some would argue the best QB in the league, and you want them to tone it down a notch?

Five guys had a higher completion % than Aaron Rodgers:

Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Philip Rivers
Tom Brady
Jon Kitna

Only one of them threw less interceptions, the NFL MVP Tom Brady. Check their stats, they are eerily similar in the regular season, I'm pretty sure no one is suggesting Tom Brady and the patriots run a low percentage offense(not since 2007 at-least). If someone wants to tell me, completing most of your passes, and throwing for a low amount of interceptions is what you think of when someone says "Low percentage offense" I would tell them to get their vision checked.

Rodgers is a complete QB, he can play the short-intermediate passing game, and the deep game as well. He's not a guy you need to keep in check because he has no accuracy at longer ranges, so the idea that GB needs to run a traditional WC offense is just silly. Turn the guy loose, you saw what happened in the playoffs, when MM put the game in his hands.

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Dexter_Sinister
Registered

13 years ago

#12

Fluky interceptions in the first half of the year kind of pushed his total up.

Second half of the year he only had 2 in 9 games. He finished the regular season with a 65.7% completions and 101.2 rating.

Looking at '09 when he had a 103.2 rating and 64.7 completion percentage. He had one bad game in Tampa where he threw 3 picks in one game. The other 15 games he only threw 4.

The question I have is,

Low Percentage?

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nerdmann
Premier Member

13 years ago

#13

Well earlier in the season he was also being more of a "gunslinger," taking a chance with the ball more often. He was throwing the ball up, trusting the WR and TE to make a play on the ball. So that does tend to skew things a bit.
Frankly the problem I have is not with Rodgers, it's more with the WRs. They're the ones dropping so many passes. I just think it would be more consistent, not to mention run alot more clock if we just churned out yardage by moving the chains up and down the field. You KNOW these WRs and TEs can get YAC.

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zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

#14

"earthquake" wrote:

Well said. The WCO is starting to get old and it's a GOOD THING we're moving away from it. Ds now know how to beat it.

Aaron can complete short, intermediate, and deep passes as well as anyone in the NFL. He is hands down the best QB today. Putting one hand behind his back is, well, stupid.

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DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#15

"zombieslayer" wrote:

SSSHHHHHHHHH, we don't want people knowing this. For one, it motivates Aaron, and two - I love watching dumbasses like Jamie Dukes or (insert analyst) make jackasses out of themselves. The only people polled to pick the best quarterback are the 32 defensive coordinators around the league. What do you think Dick Lebeau thinks of Aaron destroying his DPOY?

zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

#16

Whoops.

Aaron Rodgers sucks and throws picks all day long. Best thing to do is stop the run when playing the Packers and let Aaron beat you.

Oh yeah, we're a WCO team. We run a VERY traditional WCO, just like back in 1982.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Aaron can't throw past 50 yards. If a WR runs a route more than 50 yards, you might as well just cover another WR because Aaron can't throw it that far.

My man Donald Driver

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DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#17

"zombieslayer" wrote:

That's better, and you have to throw in that he's gay and that he hates charity cases. If you need material, go to Profootballtalk and get some material from a guy named PervyHarvin. He's top notch - he makes our resident Barneys look like they're running in slow motion.

nerdmann
Premier Member

13 years ago

#18

"DakotaT" wrote:

"zombieslayer" wrote:

I wouldn't say that. To me, it's just fundamental football. In the Lombardi era, the rules favored the run game. So it was logical to build your offense around that. But in the modern game, the rules have been changed to assist the passing game. High percentage is high percentage. Sure, when the defense cheats up, you pump fake and throw it over their heads, but if they're giving you the 4 yards underneath, then go for it.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

wpr
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#19

While I prefer the offense to run the short and medium passing routes as they will typically have a higher completion rate, the only way to keep the defense honest and not crowd in too close is to run the long routes on a consistent basis.

AR may not have had the highest % of long completions but he had the most long receptions at 33. Rivers was 2nd at 32.

All in all it shows that GB had nice mix of shorter and longer passes and that they were extremely effective in their approach.
I guess that means that Mike and Aaron knew what they were doing and then did it.

nerdmann
Premier Member

13 years ago

#20

While I prefer the offense to run the short and medium passing routes as they will typically have a higher completion rate, the only way to keep the defense honest and not crowd in too close is to run the long routes on a consistent basis.

Aaron Rodgers may not have had the highest % of long completions but he had the most long receptions at 33. Rivers was 2nd at 32.

All in all it shows that GB had nice mix of shorter and longer passes and that they were extremely effective in their approach.
I guess that means that Mike and Aaron knew what they were doing and then did it.

"wpr" wrote:

Obviously what they were doing was good enough to win the SB. I just think they threw deep more often than they should. I think it stunted the offense to some degree and killed drives at times.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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