macbob
13 years ago

I see it all as a campaign boost for Obama.

"dhazer" wrote:



If it is a campaign boost, it's a poorly timed one, coming 1 1/2 years before the election. People will have plenty of time to focus on the economy, etc between now and then.
nyrpack
13 years ago
obviously didnt get upset at watching the twin towers and over 3,000 people go down in ashes .

some people amaze me !!
jimmy b.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

obviously didnt get upset at watching the twin towers and over 3,000 people go down in ashes .

some people amaze me !!

"nyrpack" wrote:



I guess it's easier to believe WE killed OURSELVES in mass rather than others from another country for some folks.
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Of course, Kevin. Our government would never turn on our own people. Something like Waco or Ruby Ridge could never happen in this country.

I don't know what happened on September 11. I don't think any of us does. Maybe it was foreign terrorists. Maybe it wasn't. All I know is that the conspiracy theory peddled by our government is a flat-out lie. Maybe they peddled it with the noblest of intentions. Maybe they didn't. That doesn't change the fact it was a lie and a fraud. Read the report of the 9/11 commission some time. It is so riddled with absurdities that it is good for little else than late-night comedy.

From BBC.com :

However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse is impossible. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth argue there must have been a controlled demolition.

The founder of the group, Richard Gage, says the collapse of the third tower is an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives.

"Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11. A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually freefall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process.

"Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance", says Gage, "they don't go straight down through themselves."



By the way, Tower 2 fell through itself at freefall speed too . . . a fact the Commission noted in its findings but somehow failed to find puzzling.
Porforis
13 years ago
Not sure what point that link serves, NSD. You talk about the absurdity of the government's story but then pull a quotation from the opposite end of the lunatic fringe. Cool, so we have to trust power and money-hungry bastards or tinfoil hat-wearing kooks.

Bottom line, either of us can find 4000 links from self-proclaimed or real engineers that support our beliefs, we'll never know exactly what happened for sure. I just think it's just as foolish to blindly distrust the government as it is to blindly trust it.
DakotaT
13 years ago
Non, you pulled out Waco and Ruby Ridge for examples? You get an uffda for that backing of the wrong horses. Wouldn't Kent State and the Civil rights movement have been much more appropriate examples.
13 years ago

I still believe the towers weren't done by Bin Laden because if you actually watch you see explosions going off on the floors below and is set up like a perfect demolition.

It actually bothered me also that they were making this such a big deal and celebrating. We assassinated a living person and we celebrate but yet if me or you would have done it we would have been put up on trial. I just think its funny that it happened what like 5 years to the date of Bushs speech? It took from last August to the other day to finally get a shot at him. I see it all as a campaign boost for Obama.

"dhazer" wrote:



Not explosions, plumes of smoke erupting out the side of the floors a few below where the main part of the collapse was happening. They kind of look like explosions. I know exactly what you're talking about, and I thought it looked fishy at first and second glance too. But when you think about it, the floors collapsing above were pushing air (and debris) down that had to escape somewhere.
Pack93z
13 years ago
From NSD own link.. further down. 2 and half years of study seems to trump the thought of reading the conspiracy theory and those that offer an opinion based on far less.

But now nearly seven years after 9/11 the definitive official explanation of what happened to Tower Seven is finally about to be published in America.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology has spent more than two years investigating Tower Seven but lead investigator Dr Shyam Sunder rejects criticism that it has been slow.

The collapse of Tower 7

"We've been at this for a little over two years and doing a two or two and a half year investigation is not at all unusual. That's the same kind of time frame that takes place when we do aeroplane crash investigations, it takes a few years."

With no steel from Tower 7 to study, investigators have instead made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail. They're confident their approach can now provide the answers. Dr Sunder says the investigation is moving as fast as possible.

"It's a very complex problem. It requires a level of fidelity in the modelling and rigour in the analysis that has never been done before."

Other skyscrapers haven't fully collapsed before because of fire. But NIST argues that what happened on 9/11 was unique.

Steel structure weakened

It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.

Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.

They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.

Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.

The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.

Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.



"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Of course, Kevin. Our government would never turn on our own people. Something like Waco or Ruby Ridge could never happen in this country.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



That's the most intelligent comment I've read in years. Compare 9/11 to Waco, very smooth. Very wrong and proves your ignorance too. Good job.
Wade
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13 years ago

Non, you pulled out Waco and Ruby Ridge for examples? You get an uffda for that backing of the wrong horses. Wouldn't Kent State and the Civil rights movement have been much more appropriate examples.

"DakotaT" wrote:



Ah, but the decision to protect rights should not depend on whether they are the right horses or not. Even the delusional need constitutional protections.

Otherwise we'd have an exception for Viking fans.
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